Haye vs Chisora. will it happen?

**AdamGB** · 03-05-2012 11:03 AM

Unified champs move up a division, often straight into a title shot - people don't bat an eyelid.

Haye does it and people are upset and don't think he deserved it. I love how in any other weight class its fine to move up into big fights... But Haye was expected to start his record again from scratch?

People (understandably) dislike Haye and like Erics says this sometimes causes them to come up with clouded judgements.

Wlad was awful against Haye and his latest 'fight' is one of the worst match ups ever made in boxing. I hope his next fight is great because he's hardly on a career high right now is he?

**boyla** · 03-05-2012 03:21 PM

I was under the impression to call yourself a champion, you are the best in your sport, No.1.
Whether that be football, boxing, cycling or whatever.

In this thread you have people saying Haye was HW champion, I heard the news and I follow boxing, seen him fight Valvez I even seen him do dozens of interviews with a belt.

I even looked a numerous rankings for the heavyweight division, most said he was 3rd ranked heavyweight, a strange few even placed him 2nd ranked heavyweight in the world.

Why because he was never No.1 in the boxings fans eyes.
He kept running his mouth off at the Klitschos, and he got the "real" world title fight against Wlad.

But he lost his bottle in the publicity and behaved like a scared little child, he threw insults and temper tantrums.
Wlad was pure class even before a punch had been thrown.

Wlad is not the most exciting fighter in the world, but he is arguably the No.1 boxer at heavyweight for many years.
Haye got his shot, and even before the fight he announced his retirement and got beat.
But still will not shut the fuck up.

Boxing is a man's sport and you risk your life in the ring, if you beat the best you are not just a winner you are a CHAMPION, the most prestigious honour is to beat the heavyweight champion, then you can be called the heavyweight champion of the world.

Better than anyone on the planet in one of the oldest and most respected sports.
You name will be written in the history books and you will be compared to all the greats.

So excuse me when I can not stomach the thought of any adult with boxing knowledge who calls Haye a HW champion.
There is actually a word for Haye, a paper champion, because he was only even a champion on paper.

But before we judge Haye to harshly lets look at his reign as a paper champion.
Who did he fight to call himself no.1 in the world

Valuez A giant who had beat Ruiz for the Title then struggled against an ageing Holyfield
Ruiz A man who lost to Valuez, but still a decent boxer
Audley Harrison Absolute disgrace

Valuez was a paper champion with one championship defence against 46 year old Holyfield.

**erics44** · 03-05-2012 03:30 PM

Boyla

walk away from your computer

think to yourself, forget how much you dislike david haye, put a boxer you like in exactly the same situation, imagine everything haye did the boxer you are thinking of did (in the ring)

relax, take a deap breath

walk back to your computer and reread your post

how do you feel? is boxing still all that bad?

**boyla** · 03-05-2012 06:40 PM

Every thing Haye did was motivated by greed and fear.
Frank Warren is some mentor.

Back on topic
"Haye vs Chisora. will it happen?"
No, because Haye is motivated by greed, wants a title fight
and fear, of getting his ass whooped and what little credibility he has left disappear

If it was any other fighter?
His record at HW is very poor, especially his choice of opponents.
His record at cruiser was one world title defence, not exactly eye catching for some one who claimed he cleaned up the division and had no other opponents.

As a cruiser weight 6/10
As a heavy weight 4/10

I see there is 4 cruiser weight champions atm, not exactly dominating the division.

He was unhappy at cruiser weight bc lets face it who cares about cruiser weight, many fighters move up in weight class as they age.
He made a choice to fight at cruiser bc it was his best chance at making money, maybe he was scared to give away weight to an opponent.
He wanted to cement his legacy, haha and the only way he could do that was moving to heavyweight which has always been most popular division historically.

He chased Wlad on many occasions, but why should Wlad settle for an unranked opponent at HW