Haye vs Chisora. will it happen?

[Slim the BoxingManiac]

Unified champs move up a division, often straight into a title shot - people don't bat an eyelid.

Haye does it and people are upset and don't think he deserved it. I love how in any other weight class its fine to move up into big fights... But Haye was expected to start his record again from scratch?

People (understandably) dislike Haye and like Erics says this sometimes causes them to come up with clouded judgements.

Wlad was awful against Haye and his latest 'fight' is one of the worst match ups ever made in boxing. I hope his next fight is great because he's hardly on a career high right now is he?

It is much, much different with the Cruiserweights moving up into Heavyweight, my friend. The difference between light welterweight and welterweight is a mere seven pounds.

The difference between heavyweight and cruiserweight is anything between ten to one-hundred pounds. The lightest the Klitschkos are going to come in is at 240 lbs. A fighter shouldn't be making a beeline from 200lb opponents straight to one that is 240.

But I don't see a big deal, either. It's not like we've got many challengers in the heavyweight division.

I was under the impression to call yourself a champion, you are the best in your sport, No.1.
Whether that be football, boxing, cycling or whatever.

In this thread you have people saying Haye was HW champion, I heard the news and I follow boxing, seen him fight Valvez I even seen him do dozens of interviews with a belt.

I even looked a numerous rankings for the heavyweight division, most said he was 3rd ranked heavyweight, a strange few even placed him 2nd ranked heavyweight in the world.

Why because he was never No.1 in the boxings fans eyes.
He kept running his mouth off at the Klitschos, and he got the "real" world title fight against Wlad.

But he lost his bottle in the publicity and behaved like a scared little child, he threw insults and temper tantrums.
Wlad was pure class even before a punch had been thrown.

Wlad is not the most exciting fighter in the world, but he is arguably the No.1 boxer at heavyweight for many years.
Haye got his shot, and even before the fight he announced his retirement and got beat.
But still will not shut the fuck up.

Boxing is a man's sport and you risk your life in the ring, if you beat the best you are not just a winner you are a CHAMPION, the most prestigious honour is to beat the heavyweight champion, then you can be called the heavyweight champion of the world.

Better than anyone on the planet in one of the oldest and most respected sports.
You name will be written in the history books and you will be compared to all the greats.

So excuse me when I can not stomach the thought of any adult with boxing knowledge who calls Haye a HW champion.
There is actually a word for Haye, a paper champion, because he was only even a champion on paper.

But before we judge Haye to harshly lets look at his reign as a paper champion.
Who did he fight to call himself no.1 in the world

Valuez A giant who had beat Ruiz for the Title then struggled against an ageing Holyfield
Ruiz A man who lost to Valuez, but still a decent boxer
Audley Harrison Absolute disgrace

Valuez was a paper champion with one championship defence against 46 year old Holyfield.

There wasn't a single sane person that thought Valuev beat Holyfield.

So I'm going to correct you. Valuev was outboxed by a 46 year-old Holyfield, and got a gift decision.

If any fighter I loved did the same stuff Haye did, I wouldn't care for them any longer. I'd hate them the same as I hate David Haye.

[erics44]

what did david haye do?

[Slim the BoxingManiac]

what did david haye do?

He talked the talk but didn't walk the walk, simply enough. He's not earned his right to talk the way he does.

[erics44]

what did david haye do?

He talked the talk but didn't walk the walk, simply enough. He's not earned his right to talk the way he does.

so you hate him?

you sound like a right twot

[Slim the BoxingManiac]

what did david haye do?

He talked the talk but didn't walk the walk, simply enough. He's not earned his right to talk the way he does.

so you hate him?

you sound like a right twot

Of course I hate him. He's a disgrace to the sport, and you can't prove otherwise.

[Fenster]

2:20 when Haye's music starts

[Manos de Piedra]

2:20 when Haye's music starts

I never noticed before but around the 2:36 mark Haye starts elbowing Chisora's back.

[erics44]

what did david haye do?

He talked the talk but didn't walk the walk, simply enough. He's not earned his right to talk the way he does.

so you hate him?

you sound like a right twot

Of course I hate him. He's a disgrace to the sport, and you can't prove otherwise.

you cant prove he is

[Slim the BoxingManiac]

what did david haye do?

He talked the talk but didn't walk the walk, simply enough. He's not earned his right to talk the way he does.

so you hate him?

you sound like a right twot

Of course I hate him. He's a disgrace to the sport, and you can't prove otherwise.

you cant prove he is

I already have.

[AdamGB]

Unified champs move up a division, often straight into a title shot - people don't bat an eyelid.

Haye does it and people are upset and don't think he deserved it. I love how in any other weight class its fine to move up into big fights... But Haye was expected to start his record again from scratch?

People (understandably) dislike Haye and like Erics says this sometimes causes them to come up with clouded judgments.

Wlad was awful against Haye and his latest 'fight' is one of the worst match ups ever made in boxing. I hope his next fight is great because he's hardly on a career high right now is he?

It is much, much different with the Cruiserweights moving up into Heavyweight, my friend. The difference between light welterweight and welterweight is a mere seven pounds.

The difference between heavyweight and cruiserweight is anything between ten to one-hundred pounds. The lightest the Klitschkos are going to come in is at 240 lbs. A fighter shouldn't be making a beeline from 200lb opponents straight to one that is 240.

But I don't see a big deal, either. It's not like we've got many challengers in the heavyweight division.
.

It's actually anywhere from 1lb to infite...

But yeah, you said it yourself... not many challengers in the HW division, so even less of a 'line' for Haye to get in and work through.

What gets me is how polarised people are... they'll say that Haye wasn't a real heavyweight, but judge him as if he were one against Wlad.

He's was either an out matched and out weighed cruiserweight who did the best he could against Wlad with all of the odds stacked against him... or he was a real heavyweight who put on a weak showing.

People seem to want it both ways though, not only was Haye not a real Heavyweight... but he had no reason to box so negatively against Wlad? (other than not deserving to be at heavyweight)

...and please don't say "yeah but he said this and said that". We're boxing fans, we know how this shit works when it comes to selling a fight.

Either Haye deserves slating for how he fought Wlad, or Wlad does for even sharing a ring with Haye (see also: 'Mormeck')

[erics44]

Unified champs move up a division, often straight into a title shot - people don't bat an eyelid.

Haye does it and people are upset and don't think he deserved it. I love how in any other weight class its fine to move up into big fights... But Haye was expected to start his record again from scratch?

People (understandably) dislike Haye and like Erics says this sometimes causes them to come up with clouded judgments.

Wlad was awful against Haye and his latest 'fight' is one of the worst match ups ever made in boxing. I hope his next fight is great because he's hardly on a career high right now is he?

It is much, much different with the Cruiserweights moving up into Heavyweight, my friend. The difference between light welterweight and welterweight is a mere seven pounds.

The difference between heavyweight and cruiserweight is anything between ten to one-hundred pounds. The lightest the Klitschkos are going to come in is at 240 lbs. A fighter shouldn't be making a beeline from 200lb opponents straight to one that is 240.

But I don't see a big deal, either. It's not like we've got many challengers in the heavyweight division.
.

It's actually anywhere from 1lb to infite...

But yeah, you said it yourself... not many challengers in the HW division, so even less of a 'line' for Haye to get in and work through.

What gets me is how polarised people are... they'll say that Haye wasn't a real heavyweight, but judge him as if he were one against Wlad.

He's was either an out matched and out weighed cruiserweight who did the best he could against Wlad with all of the odds stacked against him... or he was a real heavyweight who put on a weak showing.

People seem to want it both ways though, not only was Haye not a real Heavyweight... but he had no reason to box so negatively against Wlad? (other than not deserving to be at heavyweight)

...and please don't say "yeah but he said this and said that". We're boxing fans, we know how this shit works when it comes to selling a fight.

Either Haye deserves slating for how he fought Wlad, or Wlad does for even sharing a ring with Haye (see also: 'Mormeck')

ha, an intelligent point of view well done

One point i never argue in this situation is (and im gonna argue it now), hayes performance was very negative yes and very disapointing, but wlad was also very negative too, he did a lot of holding anytime there was any heat, if haye didnt stay on the end of his punches he held on (as always)

but it is accepted because it is wlad and thats how he always fights, haye gets the abuse because he regularly said he was gonna knock his head off and he didnt