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the only knock out is going to be me knocking you out.
The final facts are this:
Hagler cried and ran like a little girl after he was soundly beat by leonard. He should have fought hearns and the winner got leonard.
After the hearns fight hagler was never the same. He would have been destroyed by hearns in a return fight.
Haglers weak mind was exposed by leonard.
okay dumbass. Let's debate your final facts.

-hagler wasn't beaten soundly. It's hotly contested to this day whether or not leonard won that fight.
-he retired because he was out of it. That's why he lost to leonard. Could hearns have beaten him? Sure. But that's not the point. Hagler knew he was done.
-you're right about hagler not being the same after hearns.
-hagler's weak mind? That's the stupidest thing i have ever heard in my entire life. Slap your parents for ever producing such a retarded offspring.

Refute! ;d
as in: Short bus dim slim do you need a picture?
I'm sorry, do you have any points to make?
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Apparently Hagler told Hearns not to cut him or it would end up in a real fight which it did.

Yes I read that about the massage too, it seems like speculation by Steward though when answering why it went wrong.

Hearns defiantly got the tactics wrong though, but it was never in his nature to step down if someone wanted to fight him. This defiantly was the reason why he lost the fight though. If he had more discipline to his game plan and the factors I mentioned before would he have been able to have beaten Hagler?
I don't think it was deep massage that had anything to do with it. It's not like Hagler was hitting him in the leg. I think it all had to do with Hagler hitting him in the head.

As for the fight happening earlier, say 1983,I think Hearns would have been wiped out just as quick and his career would have suffered more from it.
I agree, Jody. It seems like people are a lot more accepting of excuses these days. When it comes to being working class people who have to make money doing hard work, we can't really afford to have excuses for why we couldn't get the job done. Instead, for the better, we do everything in our power to get it done right.

I don't think it's too much to hold fighters to this standard, too. Their entire career is boxing, but they don't treat it that way. Excuses will always come up instead of the truth. The truth usually being that they didn't have what it took to win, or they didn't try hard enough. In Hearns case it would have been that he tried hard, had a good game plan, and did his best in the ring. He lost because he couldn't stand up to the Hagler hurricane.

Excuses simply don't cut it.
And the exact same thing happened to Hagler in the Leonard fight as well. Hagler had his ears boxed off. The age excuse and other excuses you bring up only support his mental weaknesses and inferior boxing skills against Leonard and Hearns............. Hagler fought Leonard hard, tried hard, and lost big

Excuses simply dont cut it...................
I already refuted all of these points in my other post where you didn't have a reply. Please try to show me some logic.