hugging or boxing

[erics44]

So you're fighting a strong hard hitting guy that wants to run after you and throw a ton of punches...What do you do? Let him? Fight his fight and get knocked out to entertain people? Boxing is not entertainment; it is a competition in which you try and hit the guy more than he hits you. Sometimes it is entertaining, sometimes less so. Strategy is an integral part of the sport. My big disappointment was that Molina was so artless about his holding and tying up. No style at all.
Kirkland may be too dumb to be a good fighter, and Ann Wolfe is useless in a corner.

honestly man you couldnt be more wrong

and i dont blame molina or mcphilbin, had either have fought within the rules they would have more than likely have been knocked out, but why would they if they can get away with it?

and refs seem to be happy to let these tactics go in more and more fights

WWE is entertainment, Boxing is a competitive sport. I do agree that excessive holding does make boring fights and should be penalised but if a guy was trying to knock your head off would you just get knocked out? or hold and spoil his work and try getting the W? In my view boxing is a sport first and then entertainment.

honestly mate you couldnt be more wrong

every sport design their rules to make their game more entertaining for the millions of people who pay their hard earned money to be entertained

first and foremost boxing is entertainment

the rules of football have changed many times (take the offside rule for example) to make the game faster and more attacking and bring more goals. Rugby and cricket the same have changed the rules over and over again to make the game more entertaining

one of the rules of boxing is no hugging and that is because boxing is entertainment and hugging isnt entertaining

Molina's tactics were against the rules of boxing

[Rantcatrat]

Ann Wolfe may have done a lot to help Kirkland in the past, but I believe she failed Kirkland last Saturday night by not pointing out the excessive clinching. It's the corner's responsibilty to look out for what's best for the fighter. She is a boxing trainer. If we noticed the excessive holding, no doubt she did too, and she was in the power to do something about it.

[Diane]

Ann Wolfe may have done a lot to help Kirkland in the past, but I believe she failed Kirkland last Saturday night by not pointing out the excessive clinching. It's the corner's responsibilty to look out for what's best for the fighter. She is a boxing trainer. If we noticed the excessive holding, no doubt she did too, and she was in the power to do something about it.

I agree completely. I kept saying to Danny, why isn't she getting on the ref about all the fucking holding. It's been a long time since I was so pissed during a fight.

[TitoFan]

I said it in another thread and I'll say it here:

Holding within the rules is one thing. Tackling the opponent, and lunging in with your head down.... is quite another. Why do some people insist on applauding these deplorable tactics? So because Kirkland is a big puncher, Molina gets free rein to do whatever the f*ck he wants? I don't think so. The ref did a piss poor job... and Ann Wolfe, although was venting her frustration at Kirkland, should've gone postal on the ref and MADE him do something about it. Other corners have done it for far less reasons than Ann would've had.

Molina might be a nice guy, but if he pulls that sh*t again... I hope the other guy punches his lights out. 'Nough said.

[greynotsoold]

Somebody should point out that Kirkland did his share of falling in as well, and, as often as not, was willing enough to be held. Ann Wolfe didn't do her job in preparing her fighter to fight a guy that holds a lot, nor did she give him anything resembling worthwhile advice during the fight.
The best thing about boxing, I've always thought, is that you control your destiny because you always have the ability to counter what your opponent does. For instance, if he is continually lunging at you with his head down and arms extended to grab you, step back a half step and time an uppercut. Jab your way in and hit the body, step around him. Molina would punch and dip to the right a large majority of the time as he lunged in. There is no reason a pro quality boxer and trainer should not have picked up on these sorts of things and capitalized on them.
That they were not smart enough or good enough to do so is their own fault and Molina just exposed that lack of ability. If I had a guy fighting Kirkland tomorrow our gameplan would be to time him coming in, tie him up, turn him an try again.

[Rantcatrat]

Somebody should point out that Kirkland did his share of falling in as well, and, as often as not, was willing enough to be held. Ann Wolfe didn't do her job in preparing her fighter to fight a guy that holds a lot, nor did she give him anything resembling worthwhile advice during the fight.
The best thing about boxing, I've always thought, is that you control your destiny because you always have the ability to counter what your opponent does. For instance, if he is continually lunging at you with his head down and arms extended to grab you, step back a half step and time an uppercut. Jab your way in and hit the body, step around him. Molina would punch and dip to the right a large majority of the time as he lunged in. There is no reason a pro quality boxer and trainer should not have picked up on these sorts of things and capitalized on them.
That they were not smart enough or good enough to do so is their own fault and Molina just exposed that lack of ability. If I had a guy fighting Kirkland tomorrow our gameplan would be to time him coming in, tie him up, turn him an try again.

Molina doesn't hold any more than other fighters do. Not compared to the likes of Ward or Berto. Watch his fight with Cintron or Lara. He didn't excessively hold then at least not to the extent that he did against Kirkland. He employed the holding strategy purposefully in the Kirkland fight to smother Kirkland to take away his power. Smothering Kirkland, fighting on the inside, stayin away from his left hand, are all good strategies--that don't require excessive clinching. The concept behind his strategy, time Kirkland and then get inside and turn him, is a great strategy, but it doesn't require clinching. Inside fighting can be a thing of beauty. Please don't get me wrong. Frankly, a good inside fighter is arguably my favorite kind of fighter, and holding happens, but excessive holding is against the rules.