Nathan Cleverly. Being screwed by the WBO.

[Galaxy]

So the title of the thread should now read:

Sukhotsky being screwed by WBO

[captainanddew]

So the title of the thread should now read:

Sukhotsky being screwed by WBO

When Suhotsky can be ranked number 1 when Dawson is 7, Pascal, Cloud, Hopkins, Campillo, Shumenov, Erdei, and Sillakh, are not ranked, then how could he ever complain about being screwed by anything?

[captainanddew]

WBO is an awesome organization. How can anyone question the legitimacy of their belts and rankings?

Just look at their rankings at 168:

Champ Stieglitz
1-Kessler
2-Pavlik
3-Groves
4-Abraham
5-Degale
6-Anthony Dirrell

Lets see Kessler has done nothing since pulling out of the super 6.
Pavlik lost at MW, and had a tough fight at 168 where he looked like dogshit for alot of the fight.
Groves-really he's 3rd best in the world at 168? Maybe in a few years.
Abraham-so he gets his ass handed to him 3 times in the super 6 and he is 4??
Degale-he loses to Groves but you think he is 5th best in the world?
Dirrell-It is the wrong fucking Dirrell. Anthony Dirrell hasn't proven much, Andre Dirrell is the one that fought (and ended up pulling out of the super 6).

Where's Froch?
Where's Bute?
Where's Ward?
The top 3 in the world at 168 and not even ranked.
Where is Dirrell? He sat for a long time after pulling out of the super 6, but he looked impressive against a limited opponent in his comeback fight.

But the WBO belts really mean something. They rank Abraham but don't rank the 3 guys that beat Abraham!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Seriously. this is a joke.

[TigerFan]

WBO is an awesome organization. How can anyone question the legitimacy of their belts and rankings?

Just look at their rankings at 168:

Champ Stieglitz
1-Kessler
2-Pavlik
3-Groves
4-Abraham
5-Degale
6-Anthony Dirrell

Lets see Kessler has done nothing since pulling out of the super 6.
Pavlik lost at MW, and had a tough fight at 168 where he looked like dogshit for alot of the fight.
Groves-really he's 3rd best in the world at 168? Maybe in a few years.
Abraham-so he gets his ass handed to him 3 times in the super 6 and he is 4??
Degale-he loses to Groves but you think he is 5th best in the world?
Dirrell-It is the wrong fucking Dirrell. Anthony Dirrell hasn't proven much, Andre Dirrell is the one that fought (and ended up pulling out of the super 6).

Where's Froch?
Where's Bute?
Where's Ward?
The top 3 in the world at 168 and not even ranked.
Where is Dirrell? He sat for a long time after pulling out of the super 6, but he looked impressive against a limited opponent in his comeback fight.

But the WBO belts really mean something. They rank Abraham but don't rank the 3 guys that beat Abraham!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Seriously. this is a joke.

What month are those ratings from?

The February 168 ratings look like this:

CHAMPION ROBERT STIEGLITZ GER
1 Mikkel Kessler DK
2 Arthur Abraham (WBO Europe) ARM
3 George Groves GB
4 Andre Dirrell USA
5 James DeGale (Int-Cont.) GB
6 Anthony Dirrell USA
7 Kelly Pavlik USA
8 Nikola Sjekloca SER
9 Ezequiel Osvaldo Maderna (Latino) ARG
10 Nader Hamdan (Asia-Pacific) AUST
11 Willberforce Shihepo (WBO Africa) NAM
12 Adonis Stevenson (NABO) CAN
13 Maxim Vlasov RUS
14 Edwin Rodriguez DR
15 Renan St. Juste CAN


As for Bute & Ward...I could be wrong but I don't think the alphabet groups put other groups beltholders in their rankings.

[TigerFan]

Here's the other alphabet ratings for the same weight class

WBC 168

1. Anthony Dirrell (US)
2. Noe Gonzalez (Uruguay) SILVER
3. Nikola Sjekloca (Montenegro) INTL
4. Dyah Davis (US) NABF
5. Edwin Rodriguez (Dom. R.)
6. George Groves (GB) COMM/BBB C
7. James De Gale (GB) EBU
8. Alexander Brand (Colombia) LATINO
9. Adonis Stevenson (Haiti/Canada)
10. Tommy Oosthuizen (South Africa)
11. Renan St. Juste (Canada)
12. Mohamed Ali Ndiaye (Italy)
13. Maxim Vlasov (Russia) BALTIC
14. Andre Dirrell (US)
15. Yuzo Kiyota (Japan) OPBF

WBA 168

1. BRIAN MAGEE (INT. CHAMP)
2. DIMITRI SARTISON
3. ANTHONY DIRRELL
4. ARTHUR ABRAHAM
5. STANYSLAV KASTANOV
6. SERVER YEMURLAYEV
7. ADONIS STEVENSON (NABA)
8. EDWIN RODRIGUEZ D.R.
9. KELLY PAVLIK
10. DYAH DAVID
11. GEORGE GROVES
12. NIKOLA SJEKLOCA
13. GUSMYR PERDOMO
14. THOMAS OOSTHUIZEN
15. ALEXANDER BRAND

IBF 168

1 NOT RATED

2. Adonis Stevenson Canada

3. Edwin Rodriguez United States

4. Arthur Abraham Germany

5. Carl Froch United Kingdom

6. Librado Andrade United States

7. Thomas Oosthuizen South Africa

8. George Groves United Kingdom

9. Anthony Dirrell United States

10. Pablo Farias Argentina

11. Don George United States

12. James Degale United Kingdom

13. Glen Johnson United States

14. Dyah Davis United States

15. Andre Dirrell

[TigerFan]

It's not really worth debating which belt is the best/worst. They all have faults.

IBF - Took bribes from promoters in exchange for ratings back in the 90s. I believe it was King or Arum. Also wasn't it them that rated a dead guy? I will give them credit for rarely handing out "interim" belts. Can't remember the last time I saw an IBF interim champ.

WBO - Ranks obscure fighters and lets promoters like Warren & Universum milk belts with weak title defenses.

WBC - Have shown a bias towards their countrymen. Bullshit Diamond and Silver belts...not to mention countless interim belts. The whole Rocchigiani fiasco.

WBA - They let Guillermo Jones hold a belt hostage without fighting for 2 years. They recognize 3 champs in one weight division. Bullshit Super, Regular and guess what Interim "Champions".

[captainanddew]

It's not really worth debating which belt is the best/worst. They all have faults.

IBF - Took bribes from promoters in exchange for ratings back in the 90s. I believe it was King or Arum. Also wasn't it them that rated a dead guy? I will give them credit for rarely handing out "interim" belts. Can't remember the last time I saw an IBF interim champ.

WBO - Ranks obscure fighters and lets promoters like Warren & Universum milk belts with weak title defenses.

WBC - Have shown a bias towards their countrymen. Bullshit Diamond and Silver belts...not to mention countless interim belts. The whole Rocchigiani fiasco.

WBA - They let Guillermo Jones hold a belt hostage without fighting for 2 years. They recognize 3 champs in one weight division. Bullshit Super, Regular and guess what Interim "Champions".

all have faults.

None of them mean anything.

Ring belt is the only belt that is legit.