Champions chasing Challengers

[TitoFan]

hey don't get all worked up about it...

you seem to have a real problem with the idea of this guy getting 100 wins.
whats it to you? relax. have a good bowel movement...

we'll see how each fighter's careers go.

Worked up? You don't know me very well. Just pointing out the fact that Baby's record is a farce, is all. Nothing wrong with setting the record straight, right?

[ruthless rocco]

hey don't get all worked up about it...

you seem to have a real problem with the idea of this guy getting 100 wins.
whats it to you? relax. have a good bowel movement...

we'll see how each fighter's careers go.

Worked up? You don't know me very well. Just pointing out the fact that Baby's record is a farce, is all. Nothing wrong with setting the record straight, right?

but that's common knowledge...

[TitoFan]

hey don't get all worked up about it...

you seem to have a real problem with the idea of this guy getting 100 wins.
whats it to you? relax. have a good bowel movement...

we'll see how each fighter's careers go.

Worked up? You don't know me very well. Just pointing out the fact that Baby's record is a farce, is all. Nothing wrong with setting the record straight, right?

but that's common knowledge...

Ok, so we agree.

[ruthless rocco]

i doubt we agree...

i think martinez is massively overrated; whereas i find chavez jr to be well managed.

[TitoFan]

i doubt we agree...

i think martinez is massively overrated; whereas i find chavez jr to be well managed.

Oh ok.... so we disagree.

I don't care to defend Martinez. He needs a couple of career-defining fights to establish his legacy, if there's going to be any.

As for Baby Chavez, if by "well managed" you mean protected from any fights that might endanger his precious little "0" in the loss column, to the point of ducking credible challengers. Then yeah..... the coddled little baby is well managed.

[ruthless rocco]

i doubt we agree...

i think martinez is massively overrated; whereas i find chavez jr to be well managed.

Oh ok.... so we disagree.

I don't care to defend Martinez. He needs a couple of career-defining fights to establish his legacy, if there's going to be any.

As for Baby Chavez, if by "well managed" you mean protected from any fights that might endanger his precious little "0" in the loss column, to the point of ducking credible challengers. Then yeah..... the coddled little baby is well managed.

by well managed i mean he's made the most money with the least risk while upholding a brand name started by his dad.

that's the third element of the sweet science...the one people don't like to talk about: money.

the art of hitting and not being hit; while making as much money as possible.

[TitoFan]

i doubt we agree...

i think martinez is massively overrated; whereas i find chavez jr to be well managed.

Oh ok.... so we disagree.

I don't care to defend Martinez. He needs a couple of career-defining fights to establish his legacy, if there's going to be any.

As for Baby Chavez, if by "well managed" you mean protected from any fights that might endanger his precious little "0" in the loss column, to the point of ducking credible challengers. Then yeah..... the coddled little baby is well managed.

by well managed i mean he's made the most money with the least risk while upholding a brand name started by his dad.

that's the third element of the sweet science...the one people don't like to talk about: money.

the art of hitting and not being hit; while making as much money as possible.

I can now see why we will always disagree.

I see boxing as a sport. A sport I've loved for a very long time. Long enough to have seen the best fighting the best. Long enough to have seen warriors in the ring, wanting to fight the best opponents available... and not giving a rat's ass about "brand names" (give me a frigging break), maintaining fake undefeated records, or wanting to bloat their bullshit records with bums.

You, on the other hand, admire "well managed" fighters with all the attributes you very well mentioned in your post. Nothing wrong with that...... to each his own.

We'll never agree.

[Rantcatrat]

i doubt we agree...

i think martinez is massively overrated; whereas i find chavez jr to be well managed.

where do you rank Martinez p4p?

who should he face to merit his worth?

[ruthless rocco]

i doubt we agree...

i think martinez is massively overrated; whereas i find chavez jr to be well managed.

where do you rank Martinez p4p?

who should he face to merit his worth?

martinez doesn't belong in the top 10 p4p. he's not that good. knocking out b level domestic fighters, does make you p4p credible.

who should he face to merit his worth? that's the problem, he will lose when he faces someone who's a legitimate contender. he just happens to be in a weak division...but that doesn't prove his superiority. it just means he's top dog on top of a pile of shit.

[Rantcatrat]

i doubt we agree...

i think martinez is massively overrated; whereas i find chavez jr to be well managed.

where do you rank Martinez p4p?

who should he face to merit his worth?

martinez doesn't belong in the top 10 p4p. he's not that good. knocking out b level domestic fighters, does make you p4p credible.

who should he face to merit his worth? that's the problem, he will lose when he faces someone who's a legitimate contender. he just happens to be in a weak division...but that doesn't prove his superiority. it just means he's top dog on top of a pile of shit.

you didn't answer the question. do you have a p4p list? if so, who would you rank above him p4p?

also, just to be clear, he's top dog in two divisions, junior middleweight and middleweight, they may be both be equally crappy in your book.

[Galaxy]

i doubt we agree...

i think martinez is massively overrated; whereas i find chavez jr to be well managed.

where do you rank Martinez p4p?

who should he face to merit his worth?

martinez doesn't belong in the top 10 p4p. he's not that good. knocking out b level domestic fighters, does make you p4p credible.

who should he face to merit his worth? that's the problem, he will lose when he faces someone who's a legitimate contender. he just happens to be in a weak division...but that doesn't prove his superiority. it just means he's top dog on top of a pile of shit.

You don't consider wins over Pavlik, Williams or Dzindziruk any good? Pavlik was the lineal champ. So he's already faced a legit test.