Champions chasing Challengers

[ruthless rocco]

i doubt we agree...

i think martinez is massively overrated; whereas i find chavez jr to be well managed.

where do you rank Martinez p4p?

who should he face to merit his worth?

martinez doesn't belong in the top 10 p4p. he's not that good. knocking out b level domestic fighters, does make you p4p credible.

who should he face to merit his worth? that's the problem, he will lose when he faces someone who's a legitimate contender. he just happens to be in a weak division...but that doesn't prove his superiority. it just means he's top dog on top of a pile of shit.

[Rantcatrat]

i doubt we agree...

i think martinez is massively overrated; whereas i find chavez jr to be well managed.

where do you rank Martinez p4p?

who should he face to merit his worth?

martinez doesn't belong in the top 10 p4p. he's not that good. knocking out b level domestic fighters, does make you p4p credible.

who should he face to merit his worth? that's the problem, he will lose when he faces someone who's a legitimate contender. he just happens to be in a weak division...but that doesn't prove his superiority. it just means he's top dog on top of a pile of shit.

you didn't answer the question. do you have a p4p list? if so, who would you rank above him p4p?

also, just to be clear, he's top dog in two divisions, junior middleweight and middleweight, they may be both be equally crappy in your book.

[Master]

What about Joe Louis chasing Max Schemelling to get his revenge when Joe was champion or Joe Frasier trying to get the fight on with Muhammad Ali in 1971.

Terry Norris trying to get a pay day against Oscar Dela Hoya.

[Galaxy]

i doubt we agree...

i think martinez is massively overrated; whereas i find chavez jr to be well managed.

where do you rank Martinez p4p?

who should he face to merit his worth?

martinez doesn't belong in the top 10 p4p. he's not that good. knocking out b level domestic fighters, does make you p4p credible.

who should he face to merit his worth? that's the problem, he will lose when he faces someone who's a legitimate contender. he just happens to be in a weak division...but that doesn't prove his superiority. it just means he's top dog on top of a pile of shit.

You don't consider wins over Pavlik, Williams or Dzindziruk any good? Pavlik was the lineal champ. So he's already faced a legit test.

[ruthless rocco]

i doubt we agree...

i think martinez is massively overrated; whereas i find chavez jr to be well managed.

where do you rank Martinez p4p?

who should he face to merit his worth?

martinez doesn't belong in the top 10 p4p. he's not that good. knocking out b level domestic fighters, does make you p4p credible.

who should he face to merit his worth? that's the problem, he will lose when he faces someone who's a legitimate contender. he just happens to be in a weak division...but that doesn't prove his superiority. it just means he's top dog on top of a pile of shit.

You don't consider wins over Pavlik, Williams or Dzindziruk any good? Pavlik was the lineal champ. So he's already faced a legit test.

there's no denying martinez had a couple of spectacular wins (and a loss and a draw) against against a few of top level opponents a few years ago.

based on his most recent performances however, i believe he is slipping. he seems to lack focus...which hinders speed... which lessens power. i think his age is catching up with him. a person's athleticism only carries them so far in boxing. i don't believe he has the skill set to carry him when he no longer has his speed advantage. this loss of focus may also have to do with being a media darling...he's like a starlet now. everyone says he's so great... i think he's losing his drive.

we'll see how he fares in the future if and when he faces top level opposition again. because in his last two fights he performed what i feel to be poorly against some basic b level fighters. which i feel lessens his credibility in the P4P rankings.

[TitoFan]

Oh yeah... Sergio is slipping. Now is the time to pit him against Chavez Jr. I say let's get this match made as soon as possible. A victory over the fading Martinez will elevate Chavez's status and put a major scalp on his belt. That way he can get the doubters off his back.

[Galaxy]

Slipping? And he's still knocking these guys out!

His last 7 opponents have a combined record of 230-8

Macklin arguably defeated Sturm! Dzinziruk & Barker were both undefeated.

Its not like he's fighting guys Mayorga & Margarito

[ruthless rocco]

i'm gonna wait and see how he fares in the future... if and when he faces top level opposition again.

as i previously stated, he performed what i feel to be poorly against some basic B level fighters in his last two fights. which i feel lessens his credibility in the P4P rankings.

[Galaxy]

i'm gonna wait and see how he fares in the future... if and when he faces top level opposition again.

as i previously stated, he performed what i feel to be poorly against some basic B level fighters in his last two fights. which i feel lessens his credibility in the P4P rankings.

Which fighters do you class b level? He also stopped them all!

I'll give you Barker, but Macklin (who was robbed against Sturm) & Dzinziruk are world class!

[TitoFan]

Slipping? And he's still knocking these guys out!

His last 7 opponents have a combined record of 230-8

Macklin arguably defeated Sturm! Dzinziruk & Barker were both undefeated.

Its not like he's fighting guys Mayorga & Margarito

Shhhh.... you're ruining the sarcasm here. The comment was tongue-in-cheek and directed at your "buddy", who thinks Sergio is slipping and who worships the ground Chavez Jr. walks on.

Matter of fact, I'm kinda hoping the Chavez camp feels the same way as your "buddy", and makes the match we're all waiting to see, before Sergio REALLY gets old and it becomes a moot point. I'd personally travel to wherever the fight was held just to see Chavez Jr. dumped on his ass by the "slipping" Martinez.

[ruthless rocco]

Slipping? And he's still knocking these guys out!

His last 7 opponents have a combined record of 230-8

Macklin arguably defeated Sturm! Dzinziruk & Barker were both undefeated.

Its not like he's fighting guys Mayorga & Margarito

Shhhh.... you're ruining the sarcasm here. The comment was tongue-in-cheek and directed at your "buddy", who thinks Sergio is slipping and who worships the ground Chavez Jr. walks on.

Matter of fact, I'm kinda hoping the Chavez camp feels the same way as your "buddy", and makes the match we're all waiting to see, before Sergio REALLY gets old and it becomes a moot point. I'd personally travel to wherever the fight was held just to see Chavez Jr. dumped on his ass by the "slipping" Martinez.

yeah... you should listen to CheatoFan and not spoil the beautiful moment you two have created..


my points again are: martinez is getting old and is slipping. he's overrated. his current division lacks depth to truely test him.

thats all. thanks for the fun boys.