So Pacquiao in a spot of bother..states he "disagrees" with same sex marriage..

[Gandalf]

I see nothing wrong with that, he was merely voicing his stance on the issue. I share his views on the matter, but not basing it on religion like he does. Unless he goes out of his way to directly prevent a gay couple from being married, why should anyone be offended? Aren't the gay community demanding others to be more tolerant on their views? Why can't they practice what they preach when it comes to this issue? He was asked a question and he answered it truthfully unlike most politicians nowadays who'd just jump on the popular social/religious/political view bandwagons despite believing otherwise merely to attract more voters (I'm looking at you Obama). He didn't come of as inciting hatred nor did he preach or sound condescending.

Tolerance means accepting the rights of consensual homosexual adults who demand the same treatment by law as heterosexual couples. Pac's statement was based upon hate, there is no other reason to discriminate against homosexuals. People make laws for other people. There is no such thing as God's law which Pac seemingly refers to. The fictional God was a vengeful and hateful type and thus man made words accredited to him should be ignored.

Gay's have every right to be disappointed with Manny Pac and likewise anyone who thinks in such a philistine manner.

Tolerance doesn't mean acceptance. Why would you need to tolerate something you already approve of? It means the practice of permitting something that a person disapproves of and being fair and objective about it. So far, Pac in his stance/statements has been exactly that. As far as I know he never discriminated a person based on his sexual preference nor prevented and denied gay people from marrying each other. He even has a number of gay people employed in his businesses and I never heard him say offensive homophobic words like f*ggot (I'm looking at you... oh never mind).

So what you are implying is that anyone who disapproves gay marriage should be lambasted and vilified by the gay community and their supporters? I don't approve of it, but I don't hate gays for being who they are. I never held grudges nor condemned them to eternal damnation for marrying each other. You need to disassociate the words disapproval with hatred as they don't always go hand in hand with each other. I have a number of gay friends and in all honesty never gave an arse of what they do with each other as long as they keep it to themselves. If I tell them I am against them marrying each other, and knowing these people, I know they would take no offense to my personal beliefs as long as I keep it that way, personal.

I believe that anyone in the gay community has every right to be angry at Manny for what he said. Of course so. Our words and beliefs are what shape us and in expressing such sentiments Manny has shown himself to be prejudiced against a minority group. It is like saying that blacks shouldn't be allowed to marry whites or rich people marry poor people. People above a certain age should be free to marry whomever they like as long as it is consensual. It is blatant discrimination to be against gay marriage. Any open minded person should be for gay marriage and a book like the Bible is irrelevant to the argument. Society constructs laws, not religion.

People should get called out when they fuck up. It's happened to me in the past and Manny seems to be doing it now. Thus he is getting called out. The only way for Manny to redeem himself is to sleep with Buboy in a future 24/7.

[Spicoli]

Dude. Ehh.

[p4pking]

. Everyone knows Manny is a devout christian, which is a lifestyle choice just like being gay or being married. Whatever your opinion about that it in itself may be his views are merely in line with his faith and nothing to be up in arms about. Denouncing gay marriage isn't even close to discriminatory from a religious standpoint, which like it or not is still a lot more accepted than being gay most anywhere let alone in America. This really isn't anything to be discussing so heatedly.

[Gandalf]

Religion is based upon absolutely nothing and that's why it bothers me to hear failed Christians like Manny waffle on about gay marriage being against God's law. God doesn't even exist so where do these rules come from? A man written book from ages ago? What gives the Bible any precedent in how our societies are governed and ruled?

It irritates me to hear Christians spouting their tosh because it is fundamentally absurd and is a hindrance to understanding and progress. They deny science and they deny reason. I am glad to see people getting annoyed with Manny.

His views should be seen as archaic and of a world that needs to be washed away.

[p4pking]

I agree with you, but it's nothing new that Manny is religious and this isn't anything people should take to heart. I was only pointing out that it's nothing which will bring him any sort of bad press, it's still a fairly common stance taken on every political level there is in America.

[Gandalf]

You are right and it is sad that America is still so primitive in its thinking. I despise people who tolerate prejudice. Do we refuse Jews or blacks the right to marry? Interracial couples? Of course not and yet homosexuals still have to fight on for their rights. It is sad that anyone would want to deny someone the basic opportunity to share a life with love and with the full support of the law on their side.

The arguments against it make no sense whatsoever. It typically boils down to 'It doesn't seem right'. Well people would have said the same thing about a black woman marrying a white woman a hundred years ago. Get over it, get over yourselves, stick God in your pocket and be nice to each other without making up stuff to deny the happiness of others.

[15rounder]

Do we really care what a boxer thinks about this? Seriously? Lets talk about boxing here.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

Religion is based upon absolutely nothing and that's why it bothers me to hear failed Christians like Manny waffle on about gay marriage being against God's law. God doesn't even exist so where do these rules come from? A man written book from ages ago? What gives the Bible any precedent in how our societies are governed and ruled?

It irritates me to hear Christians spouting their tosh because it is fundamentally absurd and is a hindrance to understanding and progress. They deny science and they deny reason. I am glad to see people getting annoyed with Manny.

His views should be seen as archaic and of a world that needs to be washed away.

It isn't like Manny is out preaching that gay marriage is wrong. He was asked a question and responded to the question based on his views. He has his beliefs and the belief that he expressed here is in agreement with his religion.

[bestjabwins]

Was he asked his views on this or did he just come out and say it? If someone asked him then I don't see the problem with voicing his opinion. Gandalf said gays have right to be angry that pacquiao thinks that way. No they don't. They have zero rights when it comes to how a person thinks, unless being part of the thought police is now everyones natural right.
I disagree with what pacquiao said - does he now have a right to be angry with me? Its ridiculous.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

. Everyone knows Manny is a devout christian, which is a lifestyle choice just like being gay or being married. Whatever your opinion about that it in itself may be his views are merely in line with his faith and nothing to be up in arms about. Denouncing gay marriage isn't even close to discriminatory from a religious standpoint, which like it or not is still a lot more accepted than being gay most anywhere let alone in America. This really isn't anything to be discussing so heatedly.

Agree with you 100%.

[Leighton]

I see nothing wrong with that, he was merely voicing his stance on the issue. I share his views on the matter, but not basing it on religion like he does. Unless he goes out of his way to directly prevent a gay couple from being married, why should anyone be offended? Aren't the gay community demanding others to be more tolerant on their views? Why can't they practice what they preach when it comes to this issue? He was asked a question and he answered it truthfully unlike most politicians nowadays who'd just jump on the popular social/religious/political view bandwagons despite believing otherwise merely to attract more voters (I'm looking at you Obama). He didn't come of as inciting hatred nor did he preach or sound condescending.

Tolerance means accepting the rights of consensual homosexual adults who demand the same treatment by law as heterosexual couples. Pac's statement was based upon hate, there is no other reason to discriminate against homosexuals. People make laws for other people. There is no such thing as God's law which Pac seemingly refers to. The fictional God was a vengeful and hateful type and thus man made words accredited to him should be ignored.

Gay's have every right to be disappointed with Manny Pac and likewise anyone who thinks in such a philistine manner.

Tolerance doesn't mean acceptance. Why would you need to tolerate something you already approve of? It means the practice of permitting something that a person disapproves of and being fair and objective about it. So far, Pac in his stance/statements has been exactly that. As far as I know he never discriminated a person based on his sexual preference nor prevented and denied gay people from marrying each other. He even has a number of gay people employed in his businesses and I never heard him say offensive homophobic words like f*ggot (I'm looking at you... oh never mind).

So what you are implying is that anyone who disapproves gay marriage should be lambasted and vilified by the gay community and their supporters? I don't approve of it, but I don't hate gays for being who they are. I never held grudges nor condemned them to eternal damnation for marrying each other. You need to disassociate the words disapproval with hatred as they don't always go hand in hand with each other. I have a number of gay friends and in all honesty never gave an arse of what they do with each other as long as they keep it to themselves. If I tell them I am against them marrying each other, and knowing these people, I know they would take no offense to my personal beliefs as long as I keep it that way, personal.

I believe that anyone in the gay community has every right to be angry at Manny for what he said. Of course so. Our words and beliefs are what shape us and in expressing such sentiments Manny has shown himself to be prejudiced against a minority group. It is like saying that blacks shouldn't be allowed to marry whites or rich people marry poor people. People above a certain age should be free to marry whomever they like as long as it is consensual. It is blatant discrimination to be against gay marriage. Any open minded person should be for gay marriage and a book like the Bible is irrelevant to the argument. Society constructs laws, not religion.

People should get called out when they fuck up. It's happened to me in the past and Manny seems to be doing it now. Thus he is getting called out. The only way for Manny to redeem himself is to sleep with Buboy in a future 24/7.

Youve gotta admit though. It would be great to be totally religous. knowing that when you die your gonna go to a place of pure bliss. Im not religous unfortunately. Might get me one of those. I was gonna go buddhist but cant eat meat. Muslim has too many rules. Christian but read the bible and that god guy scares the shit out of me. You would have to be really narrow minded to be mormon but I do like there stance on marrage. In the end the only one I could see myself doing is Jedi. I already have a toy lightsaber and im pretty sure that i made a pencil role with my mind the other day.

[arcanum26]

Another unpleasant side effect of going full Muslim is there's a chance you could one day be "volunteered" to blow up some infidels along with your poor sorry arse. I remember an episode in Family Guy where Osama and his fellow nutters were ripping one of their volunteers who called in sick for the day he was supposed meet his 40 virgins in paradise. Quality stuff, Family Guy.

[Althugz]

In relation to Pacquiao - I think it's at least as bad as what Floyd said. I think it should probably be interpreted as worse because Pac is showing an intolerance. Floyd was being a numpty playing the race card when there were a whole bunch of other reasons for "Linsanity"

My personal opinion - neither guy offended me. People can believe what they want but already I think Pacquiao is being effected. He's had an interview cancelled at The Grove where the CEO has said he's not welcome there anymore.

[Althugz]

I see nothing wrong with that, he was merely voicing his stance on the issue. I share his views on the matter, but not basing it on religion like he does. Unless he goes out of his way to directly prevent a gay couple from being married, why should anyone be offended? Aren't the gay community demanding others to be more tolerant on their views? Why can't they practice what they preach when it comes to this issue? He was asked a question and he answered it truthfully unlike most politicians nowadays who'd just jump on the popular social/religious/political view bandwagons despite believing otherwise merely to attract more voters (I'm looking at you Obama). He didn't come of as inciting hatred nor did he preach or sound condescending.

Tolerance means accepting the rights of consensual homosexual adults who demand the same treatment by law as heterosexual couples. Pac's statement was based upon hate, there is no other reason to discriminate against homosexuals. People make laws for other people. There is no such thing as God's law which Pac seemingly refers to. The fictional God was a vengeful and hateful type and thus man made words accredited to him should be ignored.

Gay's have every right to be disappointed with Manny Pac and likewise anyone who thinks in such a philistine manner.

Tolerance doesn't mean acceptance. Why would you need to tolerate something you already approve of? It means the practice of permitting something that a person disapproves of and being fair and objective about it. So far, Pac in his stance/statements has been exactly that. As far as I know he never discriminated a person based on his sexual preference nor prevented and denied gay people from marrying each other. He even has a number of gay people employed in his businesses and I never heard him say offensive homophobic words like f*ggot (I'm looking at you... oh never mind).

So what you are implying is that anyone who disapproves gay marriage should be lambasted and vilified by the gay community and their supporters? I don't approve of it, but I don't hate gays for being who they are. I never held grudges nor condemned them to eternal damnation for marrying each other. You need to disassociate the words disapproval with hatred as they don't always go hand in hand with each other. I have a number of gay friends and in all honesty never gave an arse of what they do with each other as long as they keep it to themselves. If I tell them I am against them marrying each other, and knowing these people, I know they would take no offense to my personal beliefs as long as I keep it that way, personal.

The only way for Manny to redeem himself is to sleep with Buboy in a future 24/7.

Hahahaa quality

On a serious note - I'm with you on this one. Anyone who preaches their views to me manufactured by an old, badly translated, man made book, I don't have a lot of time for. If you choose a religion and it "saves" you and all that jazz, wonderful! I'm happy and respect that. Just don't push it on me when my views are formed by something else.

The ignorance is still amazing though, even in this day and age - like I always know what's coming when I'm asked where my parents are from. My reply is Turkish Cypriot and immediately it's "Ok, so you're Muslim". No fuckwit - religion isn't something you're born into but something you choose to believe..I choose not to. Besides I always like seeing their faces when I say "Yeah, I'm Muslim but I eat pork, get paraletic drunk and eat more food than normal during the fasting period