a point of pure speculation

[Master]

What?

Ali left everything in the ring in his fights with Fraizier and Foreman never mind Norton and Shavers.

What are you talking about? I'm saying Toney never fought anyone with Ali's style and Ali never fought anyone with Toney's style.

Reading it back still makes no sense, nothing Toney could do would be a problem for Ali.

[Hulk]

A much better fight would have been the Roy Jones Jr. that fought Ruiz vs. Cassius Clay.

They were similar in weight as Clay was a smallish heavyweight before his exile.

I think Jones would have been too fast, and before people start the "glass chin" business about Jones, consider if Clay would have been able to hit him clean.

[Master]

A much better fight would have been the Roy Jones Jr. that fought Ruiz vs. Cassius Clay.

They were similar in weight as Clay was a smallish heavyweight before his exile.

I think Jones would have been too fast, and before people start the "glass chin" business about Jones, consider if Clay would have been able to hit him clean.

Ali beat Liston and other decent heavyweights, Roy beat ....Ruiz.

[Hulk]

A much better fight would have been the Roy Jones Jr. that fought Ruiz vs. Cassius Clay.

They were similar in weight as Clay was a smallish heavyweight before his exile.

I think Jones would have been too fast, and before people start the "glass chin" business about Jones, consider if Clay would have been able to hit him clean.

Ali beat Liston and other decent heavyweights, Roy beat ....Ruiz.

And Liston didn't fight much like Roy now did he ?

I suppose you can say an old Floyd Patterson with back problems was similar to Roy Jones, but not really.

A young brash, skinny Cassius Clay struggled greatly with Doug Jones and was lucky to get the win.

I think he struggles even more with the unbelievable speed, talent and unorthodox style of Roy Jones.

I see Roy outspeeding and outpointing Clay for a decision.

[Master]

A much better fight would have been the Roy Jones Jr. that fought Ruiz vs. Cassius Clay.

They were similar in weight as Clay was a smallish heavyweight before his exile.

I think Jones would have been too fast, and before people start the "glass chin" business about Jones, consider if Clay would have been able to hit him clean.

Ali beat Liston and other decent heavyweights, Roy beat ....Ruiz.

And Liston didn't fight much like Roy now did he ?

I suppose you can say an old Floyd Patterson with back problems was similar to Roy Jones, but not really.

A young brash, skinny Cassius Clay struggled greatly with Doug Jones and was lucky to get the win.

I think he struggles even more with the unbelievable speed, talent and unorthodox style of Roy Jones.

I see Roy outspeeding and outpointing Clay for a decision.

You are quite mad.

[AdamGB]

Hang on... We're matching a prime Jones Jr against a green Casius Clay?

Stretching it a bit?

[Hulk]

Hang on... We're matching a prime Jones Jr against a green Casius Clay?

Stretching it a bit?

I think its debatable if Jones was still prime when he faced Ruiz, Miles. Clay who beat Liston even vs. Roy Jones who beat Ruiz. I'll take Roy.

Clay/Ali has an aura and deserves all the accolades, but he was not unbeatable.

Henry Cooper essentially KO'd him then Ali was given over 10 mins to recover when Dundee ripped open a glove. And no that is not a myth, it is a fact. One that has been recounted on documentaries and by Dundee himself.

[greynotsoold]

I think this could be a very interesting fight, especially if we are going to assume that Toney comes in motivated, in shape and determined to win. In that case, he would be plenty aggressive. I just watched the Holyfield fight, and Toney went after him and got that ass; he toyed with Evander from the second round on.
One thing you aren't going to do is dance around James Toney and poke at him with a jab, or beat him with the right hand, and Ali had nothing else. Ali really had only reflexes and conditioning, and that is plenty against the big dummies of the boxing world, the HW division. Not so much against a very smart fighter.
I think that the jab Toney showed in the Hembrick and Holyfield fights, for example, would give Ali troubles because when Ali jabbed his right glove flared out; it didn't stay home to catch the counter jab. Norton exploited this, and I think Toney, much more skilled and faster than Norton, would be able to do the same. Ali would have a lot of trouble because Toney would be as fast ands would be able to counter him.