'Sugar' Shane Mosley hypotheticals vs the greats

[Spicoli]

Man, lots of names. I like Shane but I cannot see Mosley beating the best of the best straight throwing boxers on that list. His 135 run was not exactly stacked with huge name at all. He was out boxed by Cotto, Forrest, Wright but got Oscar flip a coin on one of them. I think at respected times those Lts listed were way to deep for him. His squaring up really caught up to him. He was not this one punch killer but hooky-body speed and shined vs guys that stayed in and played ball with him. I believe is power gets over stated a bit. He ain't touching McCallum at 154.

[greynotsoold]

Mosley has trouble with a lot of those guys on that list. He'd easily beat gatti and hatton because they are there to be hit and don't really pose much of a threat to him. I think pryor, while certainly a threat, is too much right there to get hit and Shane could probably beat him. In fact, it wouldn't suprise me to see him get a 3kd tko without ever really hurting Pryor.
My knowledge of Locche is limited, but what I've seen leads me to believe that Mosley would beat him. Locche is veryhard to hit, but he can't keep Mosley off of him, and I don't think that you'll beat Mosley if he isn't a bit afraid of you. That is why I think he'd probably beat Whitaker. Shane is just as fast, and at 135 was real confident and slick. I call him and Benitez at 147 a toss-up. A fight with Cuevas could turn out like the Margarito fight, but if Cuevas gets home early, he'd stop Mosley.
Those other guys are a class above mosley, and when you start talking about guys like Robinson, leonard, Zivic, Gavilan and Basilio, they'd just run Shane out of the ring.
mosley steamrolled guys at 135 because he had a major advantage in physicality and he wasn't afraid to let himself fight and do all that he was capable of doing. At 147 and above, this was not the case and he fought scared. This began in the Rivera fight, and it became really evident in the first DeLaHoya fight. Oscar had the same problem and that is why that fight looked like two old ladies fighting over a clothesline.

[Andre]

I think anyone who fights non square and tight out from a behind a good jab can mess with him greatly over distance and anyone who opens up square and tries to mix it up for no great reason gets hit hard at the wrong time; cause Shane timed others so he was moving as he's landing. As soon as his feet and movement wern't quiet following his thoughts , his power followed suit.

[greynotsoold]

I think anyone who fights non square and tight out from a behind a good jab can mess with him greatly over distance and anyone who opens up square and tries to mix it up for no great reason gets hit hard at the wrong time; cause Shane timed others so he was moving as he's landing. As soon as his feet and movement wern't quiet following his thoughts , his power followed suit.

That is real true. At 135 I thought shane was great because he would not only bob and weave, but hit you as he weaved under. His first fight at 147 was Rivera and I've always thought that, at some point, Rivera hurt him, or he somehow felt the strength of a welterweight, because he fought differently from there forward, his whole career. There was a hesitancy that hadn't been there before.

[THE THIRD MAN]

Mosley's only great performance at 147lb was the first DLH fight, it was his crowning glory. He was a great Lightweight champion one of the best 5 of all time IMO, he's competitive with everyone from 140-147lb, but i think he loses more than he wins on that list.

The dream fights being V Duran at 135 and Pryor at 140lb.

[ross]

Everyone just ognore the fact that he is an admitted steroids cheat...

YouTube - Shane Mosley Admits to Knowingly Using EPO in Lawsuit Against BALCO's Victor Conte

[greynotsoold]

Everyone just ognore the fact that he is an admitted steroids cheat...

YouTube - Shane Mosley Admits to Knowingly Using EPO in Lawsuit Against BALCO's Victor Conte

I don't ignore it. I think it proves that, in boxing, steroids doesn't make you better. If anybody had a boxing pedigree, it was shane mosley. he was totally immersed in the sport from the time he could stand in the corner of a gym and watch his dad train fighters. I saw him there when he was 5 or 6 years old.
He was a student of the sport, physically and mentally. He took steroids and it didn't turn him into the boxing version of a 75 home run a year guy. It made him a pretty good fighter that never got over his fear of getting hit by a guy that could hurt him.

[TitoFan]

Everyone just ognore the fact that he is an admitted steroids cheat...

YouTube - Shane Mosley Admits to Knowingly Using EPO in Lawsuit Against BALCO's Victor Conte

I don't ignore it. I think it proves that, in boxing, steroids doesn't make you better. If anybody had a boxing pedigree, it was shane mosley. he was totally immersed in the sport from the time he could stand in the corner of a gym and watch his dad train fighters. I saw him there when he was 5 or 6 years old.
He was a student of the sport, physically and mentally. He took steroids and it didn't turn him into the boxing version of a 75 home run a year guy. It made him a pretty good fighter that never got over his fear of getting hit by a guy that could hurt him.

Hit the nail on the head. Steroids didn't make Shane a great boxer. He was already that, in his own right. Any boxing fan and student of the sport should be able to see that. To be blinded by Mosley's admission and dismiss his entire career is a little shortsighted, in my opinion.

[Andre]

Everyone just ognore the fact that he is an admitted steroids cheat...

YouTube - Shane Mosley Admits to Knowingly Using EPO in Lawsuit Against BALCO's Victor Conte

Its not like none of us knows or are ignoring the fact Ross, its just we are talking about his ring skills and who could of handled them.

Maybe, Margarito on coke?

[ross]

Everyone just ognore the fact that he is an admitted steroids cheat...

YouTube - Shane Mosley Admits to Knowingly Using EPO in Lawsuit Against BALCO's Victor Conte

Its not like none of us knows or are ignoring the fact Ross, its just we are talking about his ring skills and who could of handled them.

Maybe, Margarito on coke?

How do we know he hasnt cheated in every fight that there wasnt random testing? We know he has cheated, we dont know how much. Same as Margarito, we know he tried to cheat, we dont know if he ever actually did but must presume he did. Evander Holyfield has admitted buying steroids and we are supposed to believe it was for his dad? He admitted buying em, we have to assume he used them. Especially seeing as he trained with Lee Hainey to get to heavy in the first place!

Shanes big fights where testing was an issue, he looked pathetic. He never had great skills, just fast hands. How anyone can hold him in high regard after he admitted being a filthy cheating junkie is beyond me!

What im getting at is the fights where testing has been an issue we have to assume he is clean and these are the fights we must base his career on, ones where hes not cheating. So all in all, hes shit.....

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