Wow Manny looked like crap last night!

[hardcore_crash]

I feel Manny looked the same as he usually does.
Just that this opponent had just had the ability took recover quick from certain left hands which were landed. And match Pacquiao's punch output- instead of suppress it.

This Pacquiao would have KOed Hatton in the 2nd as well.

[Manju]

Consider this.

Rumblings of PacMan's demise began after the Mosely fight...and continued thru Marquez and Bradley.

Mosely came to survive, not win. JMM made Pac look like....well...like he always looks like when fighting JMM. Bradley followed JMM cautious gameplan, tho much less effectively imo.

In contrast, PacMan's peak consisted of ODLH, Hatton, and Margarito.

What this should tell us is that PacMan looks spectacular against fighters who come forward. This style allows him to display his movement and quickness. Only once the opponent is hurt, does he come forward for the kill.

Pac looks less superhuman against fighters who go backwards, counterpunch, use a lot of movement, and basically play defense first. This is common among the great offensive fighters. Look at Duran and Chavez.

Indeed, the one bump during PacMan's exciting peak was Joshua Clottey...a guy whose major skill is his ability to cover his entire body with his arms and stay that way for an entire fight.

Pac may be aging, but with age comes the wisdom that the way you defeat a counterpuncher is to not force the fight. This makes for long stretches of boredom, as we saw last night. But long stretches of inactivity are a 2-way street.

More importantly, they are not necessarily evidence of a decline. Until a counterpuncher is able to outland Pac during these stretches, and only JMM has come close, Pac should continue with the strategy of laying back...judges be damned.

[chris6878]

Consider this.

Rumblings of PacMan's demise began after the Mosely fight...and continued thru Marquez and Bradley.

Mosely came to survive, not win. JMM made Pac look like....well...like he always looks like when fighting JMM. Bradley followed JMM cautious gameplan, tho much less effectively imo.

In contrast, PacMan's peak consisted of ODLH, Hatton, and Margarito.

What this should tell us is that PacMan looks spectacular against fighters who come forward. This style allows him to display his movement and quickness. Only once the opponent is hurt, does he come forward for the kill.

Pac looks less superhuman against fighters who go backwards, counterpunch, use a lot of movement, and basically play defense first. This is common among the great offensive fighters. Look at Duran and Chavez.

Indeed, the one bump during PacMan's exciting peak was Joshua Clottey...a guy whose major skill is his ability to cover his entire body with his arms and stay that way for an entire fight.

Pac may be aging, but with age comes the wisdom that the way you defeat a counterpuncher is to not force the fight. This makes for long stretches of boredom, as we saw last night. But long stretches of inactivity are a 2-way street.

More importantly, they are not necessarily evidence of a decline. Until a counterpuncher is able to outland Pac during these stretches, and only JMM has come close, Pac should continue with the strategy of laying back...judges be damned.

I agree with all that. Also take into consideration that "according to past pacs" he was fat. Not in shape at all. Gassed out from chasing in the later rounds.

The op I guess was taking a piss when PAC was punishing timm with lefts.

[0james0]

I know for sure now that Floyd would make him look a fool.

[chris6878]

I know for sure now that Floyd would make him look a fool.

I'm not so sure. Floyd is on slide. People will not admit it but he ain't the same. Plus he doesn't like to throw punches. And his stamina is not that great anymore. And I doubt he throws enough to keep PAC off. Floyd is not as quick and doesn't move like Bradley at this age. IMO its a toss up. They both on the decline

[Majesty]

I know for sure now that Floyd would make him look a fool.

I'm not so sure. Floyd is on slide. People will not admit it but he ain't the same. Plus he doesn't like to throw punches. And his stamina is not that great anymore. And I doubt he throws enough to keep PAC off. Floyd is not as quick and doesn't move like Bradley at this age. IMO its a toss up. They both on the decline

Mayweather is faster and hits a lot harder at 147 than Marquez and Bradley and would be hitting Pacquiao cleaner than either of them and making him miss a lot more.

[cambay411]

Floyd never has really relied on his speed. Of course his speed helps him but he mostly stands right in front of someone and just blocks whatever they throw. I see no decline in Floyd what so ever. Hes had a decent amount of fights but really hasnt had any true wars or no fights that you could look at and say well that may have took something out of him. With Floyds amazing defense he has quit a few fights left.

Pac has had some wars and from what im hearing about this fight he showed some fatigue in the late rounds and thats not Pac like. Im gonna watch the fight ASAP. Was the decision really that bad?

[chris6878]

Floyd never has really relied on his speed. Of course his speed helps him but he mostly stands right in front of someone and just blocks whatever they throw. I see no decline in Floyd what so ever. Hes had a decent amount of fights but really hasnt had any true wars or no fights that you could look at and say well that may have took something out of him. With Floyds amazing defense he has quit a few fights left.

Pac has had some wars and from what im hearing about this fight he showed some fatigue in the late rounds and thats not Pac like. Im gonna watch the fight ASAP. Was the decision really that bad?

It was a bad decision as u can see from all the discussion. Yes PAC faded. He appeared to not train seriously as he said he would. Came in at his heaviest and lacked the body we are use to. Bradley was definitely in better shape.