To those who think the decision was fair..........

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Came up on a site that I think provides a good analysis of the fight scores - judges and press row. I suggest you guys check it out. Quite a good read.

Pacquiao-Bradley: A second viewing with round by round judges cards, round by round press row cards and round by round compubox stats | Michael D. Sellers

that's pretty good, would be better if you could watch each questionable round, it still shows the writers bias because they are picking out what they think lands or doesn't land - Bradley was only showing shots with no power how the hell did Manuel Medina ever win a fight

[ross]

Compubox is bullshit.

It counts anything that isnt a jab as a powerpunch. I bet every shitty little pitty pat punch is counted by those morons that fuck around with it. Do they ever even show who operates the system and show their credentials?

Seeing as there is such massive controversy maybe the same people should be filmed, rewatching the tape in slightly slower motion and press these magic compubox buttons. Until that happens I wont believe anything as Arum is involved

Iv said it elsewhere in this forum but ill say it again, the
Ast round looked like Calzaghe v Lacy

[arcanum26]

Came up on a site that I think provides a good analysis of the fight scores - judges and press row. I suggest you guys check it out. Quite a good read.

Pacquiao-Bradley: A second viewing with round by round judges cards, round by round press row cards and round by round compubox stats | Michael D. Sellers

I wouldnt pay any attention to press row scores. They arent qualified judges and have likely never even trained to be a judge, which would be a good idea so they could try and give their readers an educated view rather than just their biased opinion. Also, its pro boxing not amateur, so compubox punch stats means nothing. Did you realise that any other punch than a jab is counted as a power punch?

Thing is, Compubox scores for this fight was tremendously in favor of Pac. If it was closer then you can make a case how Compubox is totally erroneous but when you have qualified individuals (I'm assuming you'd need some qualifications to be able to score punches for Compubox) seeing one fighter out landing his opponent by an almost 2 to 1 margin, then it's quite possible that my assessment and most everyone else's are right in that Manny did out point Tim.

Also, I tend to respect media/press row scores as I'm aware that they've been fans of the sport far longer than myself and most everyone else. Otherwise, why would they be there in the first place?

[Fenster]

Came up on a site that I think provides a good analysis of the fight scores - judges and press row. I suggest you guys check it out. Quite a good read.

Pacquiao-Bradley: A second viewing with round by round judges cards, round by round press row cards and round by round compubox stats | Michael D. Sellers

I wouldnt pay any attention to press row scores. They arent qualified judges and have likely never even trained to be a judge, which would be a good idea so they could try and give their readers an educated view rather than just their biased opinion. Also, its pro boxing not amateur, so compubox punch stats means nothing. Did you realise that any other punch than a jab is counted as a power punch?

Are you taking the piss?

You're saying nobodies opinion counts unless they are a qualified judge?

[TitoFan]

Compubox is bullshit.

It counts anything that isnt a jab as a powerpunch. I bet every shitty little pitty pat punch is counted by those morons that fuck around with it. Do they ever even show who operates the system and show their credentials?

Seeing as there is such massive controversy maybe the same people should be filmed, rewatching the tape in slightly slower motion and press these magic compubox buttons. Until that happens I wont believe anything as Arum is involved

Iv said it elsewhere in this forum but ill say it again, the
Ast round looked like Calzaghe v Lacy

Ah yes....

In a perfect world, the system would have buttons for: jabs, hooks, uppercuts, crosses, and even low blows. But until we can find a superhuman individual who has 10 fingers in each of his 3 arms.... and can operate the system at the speed at which the fight occurs in real time..... we'll just have to settle for the "shitty" system we have.

[arcanum26]

Came up on a site that I think provides a good analysis of the fight scores - judges and press row. I suggest you guys check it out. Quite a good read.

Pacquiao-Bradley: A second viewing with round by round judges cards, round by round press row cards and round by round compubox stats | Michael D. Sellers

that's pretty good, would be better if you could watch each questionable round, it still shows the writers bias because they are picking out what they think lands or doesn't land - Bradley was only showing shots with no power how the hell did Manuel Medina ever win a fight

I don't see how they would be biased for a fighter when 94% of these people had it in favor of Manny (based on a poll I've seen). I would imagine that they're scoring the fight independently and without listening to outside influences. Don't see any reason why they would be biased for this fight alone as they've already shown they're more than willing and able to score a fight against Manny (see Marquez).

[Fenster]

I forgot one other, very important and unprecedented reaction:


5. Paddy Power, the Irish betting site, refunded the money to all those who bet on Pacquiao... as someone else had already reported on the forum.


And if I were to keep searching, I'm sure I'd come up with a few other doozies.

This is not as big a deal as it seems. It's basically a PR exercise. Their liabilites would have been very small on an event like this (still.. great stuff for people that gambled with them).

[ross]

[QUOTE=Fenster;1078548][QUOTE=ross;1078538][QUOTE=arcanum26;1078533]Came up on a site that I think provides a good analysis of the fight scores - judges and press row. I suggest you guys check it out. Quite a good read.

Came up on a site that I think provides a good analysis of the fight scores - judges and press row. I suggest you guys check it out. Quite a good read.

Pacquiao-Bradley: A second viewing with round by round judges cards, round by round press row cards and round by round compubox stats | Michael D. Sellers

I wouldnt pay any attention to press row scores. They arent qualified judges and have likely never even trained to be a judge, which would be a good idea so they could try and give their readers an educated view rather than just their biased opinion. Also, its pro boxing not amateur, so compubox punch stats means nothing. Did you realise that any other punch than a jab is counted as a power punch?

Are you taking the piss?

You're saying nobodies opinion counts unless they are a qualified judge?

No im not taking the fucking piss!

I used to box and a year ago I became a qualified aba judge. The is a massive difference between who you think is winning when you are watching a fight as enjoyment to when you are a qualified judge and have to sit and concentrate and view the fight as objectively as you can. It makes me laugh all these twats with their score cards, show me some credentials and ill pay attention, until then ill just do Sheldon Coopers look of "haughty derision" at these sissy cry girls with their make believe scores.

You wouldnt ask a fan of ER to check out your heart?

Haughty derision below!

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8g9OszJFIzg

[TitoFan]

I forgot one other, very important and unprecedented reaction:


5. Paddy Power, the Irish betting site, refunded the money to all those who bet on Pacquiao... as someone else had already reported on the forum.


And if I were to keep searching, I'm sure I'd come up with a few other doozies.

This is not as big a deal as it seems. It's basically a PR exercise. Their liabilites would have been very small on an event like this (still.. great stuff for people that gambled with them).

You're right. It's excellent PR for the site. But just the fact that this is an unprecedented move is, to me, an indication that they're aware of the massive reaction against the decision, which in itself is an indication of just how bad the decision really was.

[uptoscratch]

(This statement gives away a little of subjectiveness on your part. If you're being swayed over the comments of others, then you've ceased to objectively judge the fight on its own merits).

To clarify, it's not what I'm hearing from other fans that is changing my opinion, it's my subsequent viewing of the fight and specific rounds within the fight that is changing my opinion.

For example, that "second-viewing" scorecard that was posted above, said that Round 5 was "a smoking gun round." I was intrigued by that statement so I went back and watched round 5 very carefully, at half-speed and at points in 1/4 speed, in HD.

If you do the same, you will see that Pacquiao does not land a punch for the first 2:24 of that round. He throws a left hand around 1:53 (not 1:47 as that site states) and Jim Lampley says "Boom, another left hand." But Bradley actually slips the punch completely.

During that first 2½ minutes, while Pacquiao is reportedly "stalking" Bradley (translation: walking around doing nothing) Bradley is repeatedly touching his jab to Pacquiao's face. Most of the time it's caught on the gloves, but it connects at least a half-dozen times, sometimes stiffly. Definitely more than the Compubox figure of 2, which is clearly wrong.

Around the :50 mark, Pacquiao jumps in, misses a bunch of wild shots, and Lampley says, "More trading" even through nothing actually lands. Bradley then purposefully re-establishes his position from where he has been peppering Pacquiao with his jab all round, and Lampley says "more retreating." His commentary is just ignorant of what's actually happening.

At :36 (not :34), Pacquiao stuns Bradley with an lefty uppercut from an awkward angle. Lampley and Steward comment on Pacquiao's "power," but clearly Bradley was caught off balance because he didn't see the punch coming. Pacquiao tried to take advantage, but Bradley recovers quickly and all of Pacquiao's follow-up punches miss or are deflected.

After that they exchange some ineffective combinations, with Pacquiao landing a couple slap-punches to the head and Bradley getting some partly-deflected body shots.

On my initial watch, I gave the round to Pacquiao, because of that left hand, which was the single most impactful punch of the round. But on re-watching, I would've scored it for Bradley, because that punch didn't actually hurt him, and Bradley did much more to score points and control the action for the other 2:59 of the round.

So instead of it being a "smoking gun" for the conspiracy theorists, I saw the round as further supporting the judge's scoring.

[Fenster]

[QUOTE=ross;1078553][QUOTE=Fenster;1078548][QUOTE=ross;1078538]

Came up on a site that I think provides a good analysis of the fight scores - judges and press row. I suggest you guys check it out. Quite a good read.

Came up on a site that I think provides a good analysis of the fight scores - judges and press row. I suggest you guys check it out. Quite a good read.

Pacquiao-Bradley: A second viewing with round by round judges cards, round by round press row cards and round by round compubox stats | Michael D. Sellers

I wouldnt pay any attention to press row scores. They arent qualified judges and have likely never even trained to be a judge, which would be a good idea so they could try and give their readers an educated view rather than just their biased opinion. Also, its pro boxing not amateur, so compubox punch stats means nothing. Did you realise that any other punch than a jab is counted as a power punch?

Are you taking the piss?

You're saying nobodies opinion counts unless they are a qualified judge?

No im not taking the fucking piss!

I used to box and a year ago I became a qualified aba judge. The is a massive difference between who you think is winning when you are watching a fight as enjoyment to when you are a qualified judge and have to sit and concentrate and view the fight as objectively as you can. It makes me laugh all these twats with their score cards, show me some credentials and ill pay attention, until then ill just do Sheldon Coopers look of "haughty derision" at these sissy cry girls with their make believe scores.

You wouldnt ask a fan of ER to check out your heart?

Haughty derision below!

YouTube - The Big Bang Theory - Sheldon meets his date.

As a qualified amatuer judge your opinion on pro boxing is worthless.

We are discussing pro boxing. You need to qualify as a pro judge, right?

[ross]

[QUOTE=Fenster;1078557][QUOTE=ross;1078553][QUOTE=Fenster;1078548]

Came up on a site that I think provides a good analysis of the fight scores - judges and press row. I suggest you guys check it out. Quite a good read.

Came up on a site that I think provides a good analysis of the fight scores - judges and press row. I suggest you guys check it out. Quite a good read.

Pacquiao-Bradley: A second viewing with round by round judges cards, round by round press row cards and round by round compubox stats | Michael D. Sellers

I wouldnt pay any attention to press row scores. They arent qualified judges and have likely never even trained to be a judge, which would be a good idea so they could try and give their readers an educated view rather than just their biased opinion. Also, its pro boxing not amateur, so compubox punch stats means nothing. Did you realise that any other punch than a jab is counted as a power punch?

Are you taking the piss?

You're saying nobodies opinion counts unless they are a qualified judge?

No im not taking the fucking piss!

I used to box and a year ago I became a qualified aba judge. The is a massive difference between who you think is winning when you are watching a fight as enjoyment to when you are a qualified judge and have to sit and concentrate and view the fight as objectively as you can. It makes me laugh all these twats with their score cards, show me some credentials and ill pay attention, until then ill just do Sheldon Coopers look of "haughty derision" at these sissy cry girls with their make believe scores.

You wouldnt ask a fan of ER to check out your heart?

Haughty derision below!

YouTube - The Big Bang Theory - Sheldon meets his date.

As a qualified amatuer judge your opinion on pro boxing is worthless.

We are discussing pro boxing. You need to qualify as a pro judge, right?

I didnt say won way or the other who I thought wan

My point was if you read, that there is a massive difference to being a dunce sat in front of a tv screen crying in to a hanky as his favourite fighter was shit and didnt win and a qualified judge scoring a fight.

I used to watch our amateur dinner boxing shows and thought I could score a fight until I took the judges exam and sat with a judge over 10 shows learning what to score. There is a huge difference and you are all talking out your asses as not one of you has a clue how to score a fucking fight!

Ill be surprised if there is anyone else as qualified as myself in here to judge a bout. There may be trainers or coaches but I bet even they havent trained as judges. Yes I agree that pro and am is a world of difference apart but im talking about knowing the difference between watching a bout as a fan and watching as a qualified scoring judge. Until your a qualified judge you wont realise the difference

[ruthless rocco]

(This statement gives away a little of subjectiveness on your part. If you're being swayed over the comments of others, then you've ceased to objectively judge the fight on its own merits).

To clarify, it's not what I'm hearing from other fans that is changing my opinion, it's my subsequent viewing of the fight and specific rounds within the fight that is changing my opinion.

For example, that "second-viewing" scorecard that was posted above, said that Round 5 was "a smoking gun round." I was intrigued by that statement so I went back and watched round 5 very carefully, at half-speed and at points in 1/4 speed, in HD.

If you do the same, you will see that Pacquiao does not land a punch for the first 2:24 of that round. He throws a left hand around 1:53 (not 1:47 as that site states) and Jim Lampley says "Boom, another left hand." But Bradley actually slips the punch completely.

During that first 2½ minutes, while Pacquiao is reportedly "stalking" Bradley (translation: walking around doing nothing) Bradley is repeatedly touching his jab to Pacquiao's face. Most of the time it's caught on the gloves, but it connects at least a half-dozen times, sometimes stiffly. Definitely more than the Compubox figure of 2, which is clearly wrong.

Around the :50 mark, Pacquiao jumps in, misses a bunch of wild shots, and Lampley says, "More trading" even through nothing actually lands. Bradley then purposefully re-establishes his position from where he has been peppering Pacquiao with his jab all round, and Lampley says "more retreating." His commentary is just ignorant of what's actually happening.

At :36 (not :34), Pacquiao stuns Bradley with an lefty uppercut from an awkward angle. Lampley and Steward comment on Pacquiao's "power," but clearly Bradley was caught off balance because he didn't see the punch coming. Pacquiao tried to take advantage, but Bradley recovers quickly and all of Pacquiao's follow-up punches miss or are deflected.

After that they exchange some ineffective combinations, with Pacquiao landing a couple slap-punches to the head and Bradley getting some partly-deflected body shots.

On my initial watch, I gave the round to Pacquiao, because of that left hand, which was the single most impactful punch of the round. But on re-watching, I would've scored it for Bradley, because that punch didn't actually hurt him, and Bradley did much more to score points and control the action for the other 2:59 of the round.

So instead of it being a "smoking gun" for the conspiracy theorists, I saw the round as further supporting the judge's scoring.

i think you need to rewatch that round.
pac landed at least 6 solid shots where as bradley landed weak jabs and a body shot.

[Memphis]

Ill be surprised if there is anyone else as qualified as myself in here to judge a bout. There may be trainers or coaches but I bet even they havent trained as judges. Yes I agree that pro and am is a world of difference apart but im talking about knowing the difference between watching a bout as a fan and watching as a qualified scoring judge. Until your a qualified judge you wont realise the difference

Get her

[ross]

I knew there would be some pathetic childish twat remark but its the truth which is why theres no better response. How can someone who doesnt know how to score a fight, criticise someone whos qualified? You dont know they are doing it wrong if you dontknow how to do it yourself!

There is nothing stopping you from becoming a judge, why not do it so your opinion counts?