Fading Pacquiao

[Julius Rain]

You definitely have a point. I too am starting to believe pac is or is beginning to go down hill. He is entering mid 30's and I don't think anyone had as much war as this guy. He is far remove from the Destroyer we saw against MAB and he IMO is not the same prime PacMan that seek and destroyed Cotto. That being said, he still outclass Bradley and if there is a rematch I'm betting Pac the destroyer shows up at least for the last time and puts Bradley to sleep.

[Gandalf]

He is definitely faded. I think Cotto beats him in a rematch now too.

Cotto knows the methods to employ and has a slightly shop worn Manny to deal with.

It's a shame about all this in stable rubbish. Nobody ever wants half these fights Manny is in. People are just told that they want them. Nobody cared for Margarito, Mosley or Bradley. Simply hype sold to the masses with popcorn.

It is empty and false. Even Manny's biggest fights are marred with weight deal issues.

Bob Arum is a cunt.

[Hulk]

He is definitely faded. I think Cotto beats him in a rematch now too.

Cotto knows the methods to employ and has a slightly shop worn Manny to deal with.

It's a shame about all this in stable rubbish. Nobody ever wants half these fights Manny is in. People are just told that they want them. Nobody cared for Margarito, Mosley or Bradley. Simply hype sold to the masses with popcorn.

It is empty and false. Even Manny's biggest fights are marred with weight deal issues.

Bob Arum is a cunt.

Nobody wanted Mosley, but Margarito and Bradley were fairly credible opponents. Particularly Bradley. Undefeated 140 lb champion.

Nobody wanted to see Mayweather fight Victor freakin Ortiz either or Marquez for that matter.

We've wanted Mayweather vs. Pacquiao for about 3 years now, and both men have screwed around so much that it doesn't much matter anymore.

A bit like what Gamboa and Salido did too.

[Gandalf]

But we only had Bradley because Bradley went over to Top Rank. It was the only reason. Nobody was demanding Bradley/Pacquiao. Nobody. Barely even suggested anywhere.

Margarito was coming off of his cheating scandal. He didn't deserve a big fight. Again, only made because it was in stable.

Cotto at a CW. A much better fight, but only made because it was in stable.

Mosley. Ancient, hadn't won in years. He jumps ship and saunters over to be Arum's special friend. Again we get a fight that nobody was demanding.

If the judges aren't false, the matchmaking certainly is. The demand is created after the fights are made. It is propaganda and false.

Arum has been doing this for years now with Manny. 'Ask my promoter', what kind of lame line is that? Fuck your promoter you opinion-less droid.

[Hulk]

But we only had Bradley because Bradley went over to Top Rank. It was the only reason. Nobody was demanding Bradley/Pacquiao. Nobody. Barely even suggested anywhere.

Margarito was coming off of his cheating scandal. He didn't deserve a big fight. Again, only made because it was in stable.

Cotto at a CW. A much better fight, but only made because it was in stable.

Mosley. Ancient, hadn't won in years. He jumps ship and saunters over to be Arum's special friend. Again we get a fight that nobody was demanding.

If the judges aren't false, the matchmaking certainly is. The demand is created after the fights are made. It is propaganda and false.

Arum has been doing this for years now with Manny. 'Ask my promoter', what kind of lame line is that? Fuck your promoter you opinion-less droid.

I believe I've heard one or two other fighters besides Manny use that line.

So besides Mayweather who did you demand Pacquiao fight ?

Please name some opponents that Manny ducked or would have been far better than the ones you shot down ?

I will agree with you on old Mosley and Clottey. Those were nonsense.

[Gandalf]

But we only had Bradley because Bradley went over to Top Rank. It was the only reason. Nobody was demanding Bradley/Pacquiao. Nobody. Barely even suggested anywhere.

Margarito was coming off of his cheating scandal. He didn't deserve a big fight. Again, only made because it was in stable.

Cotto at a CW. A much better fight, but only made because it was in stable.

Mosley. Ancient, hadn't won in years. He jumps ship and saunters over to be Arum's special friend. Again we get a fight that nobody was demanding.

If the judges aren't false, the matchmaking certainly is. The demand is created after the fights are made. It is propaganda and false.

Arum has been doing this for years now with Manny. 'Ask my promoter', what kind of lame line is that? Fuck your promoter you opinion-less droid.

I believe I've heard one or two other fighters besides Manny use that line.

So besides Mayweather who did you demand Pacquiao fight ?

Please name some opponents that Manny ducked or would have been far better than the ones you shot down ?

I will agree with you on old Mosley and Clottey. Those were nonsense.

My point is about matching within your stable and that being the only possible option. It has been going on for over 3 years with the occasional exception.

Ortiz, Berto or Martinez would have been decent opponents with the flash to give Manny a good fight.

Cotto was the best matchup and that was spoiled by not being WW.

[Hulk]

But we only had Bradley because Bradley went over to Top Rank. It was the only reason. Nobody was demanding Bradley/Pacquiao. Nobody. Barely even suggested anywhere.

Margarito was coming off of his cheating scandal. He didn't deserve a big fight. Again, only made because it was in stable.

Cotto at a CW. A much better fight, but only made because it was in stable.

Mosley. Ancient, hadn't won in years. He jumps ship and saunters over to be Arum's special friend. Again we get a fight that nobody was demanding.

If the judges aren't false, the matchmaking certainly is. The demand is created after the fights are made. It is propaganda and false.

Arum has been doing this for years now with Manny. 'Ask my promoter', what kind of lame line is that? Fuck your promoter you opinion-less droid.

I believe I've heard one or two other fighters besides Manny use that line.

So besides Mayweather who did you demand Pacquiao fight ?

Please name some opponents that Manny ducked or would have been far better than the ones you shot down ?

I will agree with you on old Mosley and Clottey. Those were nonsense.

My point is about matching within your stable and that being the only possible option. It has been going on for over 3 years with the occasional exception.

Ortiz, Berto or Martinez would have been decent opponents with the flash to give Manny a good fight.

Cotto was the best matchup and that was spoiled by not being WW.

Yeah Bob Arum is a greedy fat cunt and habitually matches his own fighters against each other so he can get double the pleasure from their purses. No argument there.

Martinez vs. Pac or Floyd would be awesome and amazing. Duran fought Hagler so wtf is the problem ? Martinez is a true 154 lber and a small MW anyway.

All of this is true, but Pacquiao won against Bradley. And I didn't think he looked terrible doing it either, could have and should have finished him, but hindsight is 20/20.

[Majesty]

But we only had Bradley because Bradley went over to Top Rank. It was the only reason. Nobody was demanding Bradley/Pacquiao. Nobody. Barely even suggested anywhere.

Margarito was coming off of his cheating scandal. He didn't deserve a big fight. Again, only made because it was in stable.

Cotto at a CW. A much better fight, but only made because it was in stable.

Mosley. Ancient, hadn't won in years. He jumps ship and saunters over to be Arum's special friend. Again we get a fight that nobody was demanding.

If the judges aren't false, the matchmaking certainly is. The demand is created after the fights are made. It is propaganda and false.

Arum has been doing this for years now with Manny. 'Ask my promoter', what kind of lame line is that? Fuck your promoter you opinion-less droid.

Couldn't resist

[fan johnny]

Ya he's lost that drive to go every minute of every round and I wist the fight with Mayweather happened three years ago but he still manage to outclass a prime Bradley.

[Manos de Piedra]

He is definitely faded. I think Cotto beats him in a rematch now too.

Cotto knows the methods to employ and has a slightly shop worn Manny to deal with.

It's a shame about all this in stable rubbish. Nobody ever wants half these fights Manny is in. People are just told that they want them. Nobody cared for Margarito, Mosley or Bradley. Simply hype sold to the masses with popcorn.

It is empty and false. Even Manny's biggest fights are marred with weight deal issues.

Bob Arum is a cunt.

Agreed.

[the_PRODIGY]

The more I watch the fight the more I feel Pacquiao is on the slide. I mean, Bradley was made for him. How can't he finish him.. And again, the viciousness, the savage approach is just not there. We've seen the best Pacquiao against Cotto.

[miron_lang]

Yeah, he is fading.


But still good enough to dominate a younger undefeated champion like Bradley.

Pac-Floyd should be done in 2013. Both of them are at that downward slope.

[fightscorecollector]

i defo think Pacquiao is on the slide.

He's about 80% of the fighter that beat Hatton and Cotto.

The speed of hand is still there but the speed of foot certainly isnt , he cant close the distance anymore. Im a massive fan but its plain to see that he is on the downward spiral , again it has to be expected due to the amount of fights / wars he has had.

Back 2-3 years ago the reason I thought he would beat Mayweather was because of workrate , he matched May's speed and with Mayweathers style of picking punches and a lower workrate I though Manny had him.

Saturday's fight though shows that even his workrate has now fallen. Pacquiao was fighting in spurts and was really only speeding up in the last minute of the rounds - This though was still more than enough to beat Bradley.

I had the fight 116-112 Pac although i watched a 2nd time and had it slightly wider 117-111. The rematch has to happen because WE have to see what Pacquiao does next

does he regain his hunger
does he regain his killer instinct
does he show his determination and workrate again

This fight vs Bradley 2 will show us that and probably how long he has left in the game.