Julio Jr. vs. Andy Lee Saturday night fight/chat thread

[Hulk]

This looks to be a very competitive match. I think Lee could take it, but Chavez is better than I thought. He certainly smoked Peter Manfredo when I thought Manfredo had a serious chance of winning.

[Majesty]

it's in texas, same place Whitaker vs Chavez happened...

Andy Lee isn't getting a decision even if he knocks out Chavez Jr.

[Kirkland Laing]

This looks to be a very competitive match. I think Lee could take it, but Chavez is better than I thought. He certainly smoked Peter Manfredo when I thought Manfredo had a serious chance of winning.

You're not serious about Manfredo having a serious chance of winning.

[El Kabong]

This looks to be a very competitive match. I think Lee could take it, but Chavez is better than I thought. He certainly smoked Peter Manfredo when I thought Manfredo had a serious chance of winning.

You're not serious about Manfredo having a serious chance of winning.

He also thought Ricardo Mayorga was going to KO Miguel Cotto

[Mar]

I don't know who's going to win.......... but i guaran-dam-tee the judges in texas already do

[Hulk]

This looks to be a very competitive match. I think Lee could take it, but Chavez is better than I thought. He certainly smoked Peter Manfredo when I thought Manfredo had a serious chance of winning.

You're not serious about Manfredo having a serious chance of winning.

He also thought Ricardo Mayorga was going to KO Miguel Cotto

You also think the Klitschkos are the greatest heavyweights of all time

An to address the original question, yes I thought Manfredo could outbox Chavez Jr. Hell Matt Vanda beat him.

[TitoFan]

C'mon......... Lee!!
Drop "The Coddled One" on his pampered ass!

[El Kabong]

You also think the Klitschkos are the greatest heavyweights of all time

An to address the original question, yes I thought Manfredo could outbox Chavez Jr. Hell Matt Vanda beat him.

Wrong, I think the Klitschko's "are great", the greatest heavyweight of all time is hands down Joe Louis anyone who says Ali is greater than Louis is just caught up in the celebrity of Ali. Ali ran off at the mouth, Joe Louis never even had that chance, but he defended his title successfully 25 times in a row AND had years of his prime taken from his because HE ENLISTED DURING WORLD WAR II.


Well I'm sorry, but Manfredo is shit...I'm just disappointed I never saw the guy properly concussed and down for the full 10 count. I'm hoping Sergio Mora ends up losing a fight that way so I don't feel totally ripped off.

[Hulk]

You also think the Klitschkos are the greatest heavyweights of all time

An to address the original question, yes I thought Manfredo could outbox Chavez Jr. Hell Matt Vanda beat him.

Wrong, I think the Klitschko's "are great", the greatest heavyweight of all time is hands down Joe Louis anyone who says Ali is greater than Louis is just caught up in the celebrity of Ali. Ali ran off at the mouth, Joe Louis never even had that chance, but he defended his title successfully 25 times in a row AND had years of his prime taken from his because HE ENLISTED DURING WORLD WAR II.


Well I'm sorry, but Manfredo is shit...I'm just disappointed I never saw the guy properly concussed and down for the full 10 count. I'm hoping Sergio Mora ends up losing a fight that way so I don't feel totally ripped off.

Fair post and not filled with any venom or condescension. Is this a new Lyle ? I like it.

There is a very strong case for Joe Louis, he certainly was a very quality human being and unlike Ali he had true punching power.

I don't know why you hate Manfredo but its understandable seeing how he was on the first "Contender" and got plenty of undeserved shots at the big time.

The guy did draw with a shop worn, but not shot Jeff Lacy. That was something.

He also devastated Joey Spina when he was on a roll up til then, but otherwise he has been rather pedestrian.

Yeah I can't stand Sergio Mora. I was very happy when one of my favorite warriors, Brian Vera was able to beat him, by decision no less.

Also Vera is training at KRONK gym now, I think it will do him well.

[djcione]

Manfredo, was a classic example of a fighter being ruined by his father's piss poor management. He had no business fighting Calzaghe when he did, and it ruined his confidence forever. He was an ok fighter that would have, most definitely, had more success with better management. I believe that Roach had just started working with him when the Calzaghe fight was made. Needless to say that Freddie quit immediately after learning about that mismatch.

Mike and Jerry Quarry's dad was probably the worst I've seen during my lifetime.

[El Kabong]

Fair post and not filled with any venom or condescension. Is this a new Lyle ? I like it.

There is a very strong case for Joe Louis, he certainly was a very quality human being and unlike Ali he had true punching power.

I don't know why you hate Manfredo but its understandable seeing how he was on the first "Contender" and got plenty of undeserved shots at the big time.

The guy did draw with a shop worn, but not shot Jeff Lacy. That was something.

He also devastated Joey Spina when he was on a roll up til then, but otherwise he has been rather pedestrian.

Yeah I can't stand Sergio Mora. I was very happy when one of my favorite warriors, Brian Vera was able to beat him, by decision no less.

Also Vera is training at KRONK gym now, I think it will do him well.

My posts are fair even when they are filled with venom & condescension!

I hate Peter Manfredo because he couldn't beat Sergio Mora, and I HATE Sergio Mora. Also on 'The Contender' Manfredo was built up as this huge power punching dude who was the hands down favorite to win the show or whatever the hell and Alfonso Gomez beat him in his first match. I like Alfonso Gomez, he's a little dude that gives 100% and he's not scared to fight anyone. The fight vs Jeff Lacy was horrendous, Manfredo ran away once he got tagged 1 good time. Manfredo is an average fighter with a seemingly larger than average fanbase, he wears the flashy trunks, and has a mushed up grill and one would think he would follow in the Italian Warrior footsteps of Arturo Gatti, Vinnie Pazienza, Rocky Graziano, Jake LaMatta, Rocky Marciano, et al....but no, he's a poser. He's just not as blood & guts as 'The Contender' tried to make him out to be and as a fan I don't like being spoon fed bullshit. Manfredo can't be respected by me because he does fight scared and he doesn't push through it. Now people might complain about Wladimir Klitschko "fighting scared" but the deal with Wlad is he fights through fear and any other adversity and that's why he's a great champion and Peter Manfredo is a bum.

I hope to God Sergio Mora one day decides to fight a big time power puncher and he gets what is coming to him...which is a vicious KO loss! I don't hate Mora as a comentator actually, same with Tarver but in the ring, both of them irk me something fierce.

[roberto duran legend]

You also think the Klitschkos are the greatest heavyweights of all time

An to address the original question, yes I thought Manfredo could outbox Chavez Jr. Hell Matt Vanda beat him.

Wrong, I think the Klitschko's "are great", the greatest heavyweight of all time is hands down Joe Louis anyone who says Ali is greater than Louis is just caught up in the celebrity of Ali. Ali ran off at the mouth, Joe Louis never even had that chance, but he defended his title successfully 25 times in a row AND had years of his prime taken from his because HE ENLISTED DURING WORLD WAR II.


Well I'm sorry, but Manfredo is shit...I'm just disappointed I never saw the guy properly concussed and down for the full 10 count. I'm hoping Sergio Mora ends up losing a fight that way so I don't feel totally ripped off.

Can someone please tell me if this fight is being shown on UK tv
Ali is the greatest because of the opposition he faced and beat, far superior to Joe Louis.

[Mars_ax]

You also think the Klitschkos are the greatest heavyweights of all time

An to address the original question, yes I thought Manfredo could outbox Chavez Jr. Hell Matt Vanda beat him.

Wrong, I think the Klitschko's "are great", the greatest heavyweight of all time is hands down Joe Louis anyone who says Ali is greater than Louis is just caught up in the celebrity of Ali. Ali ran off at the mouth, Joe Louis never even had that chance, but he defended his title successfully 25 times in a row AND had years of his prime taken from his because HE ENLISTED DURING WORLD WAR II.


Well I'm sorry, but Manfredo is shit...I'm just disappointed I never saw the guy properly concussed and down for the full 10 count. I'm hoping Sergio Mora ends up losing a fight that way so I don't feel totally ripped off.

Can someone please tell me if this fight is being shown on UK tv
Ali is the greatest because of the opposition he faced and beat, far superior to Joe Louis.

Chavez, Jr. vs Andy Lee will be televised live and exclusive on BoxNation, (Sky Ch. 456, Virgin Ch. 546)

[IamInuit]

Ali is the greatest because of the opposition he faced and beat, far superior to Joe Louis.

Tried to let it go but I cant and mean no offense at all.

Personally I have Louis as the ATG at heavyweight. People default to Ali because it’s a moniker that has been carried and because he said he was as part of his schtick. In private even Ali thinks it is Louis and for good reason.

He held the championship for close to 12 years and during that time he made 25 title defenses with 21 of them not reaching the final bell and 17 of those 21 not making the count of ten. He also knocked out 6 former hev champs and all of this in an era with only one belt.

Ali could not even handle Nortons jab. Louis had one of the best and perhaps the fastest jab in history. Consider even the Doug Jones fight. He was a limited and smallish hev for the era and he frustrated Ali with some arguing with validity that he won the fight.

Ali had issues with technical savvy fighters also. Just watch the Jimmy Young fight. A fight I most certainly think he lost. Ali has become this mythical almost deity like figure.

Futch:

If you start from the center of the ring it will only take you three steps to get Ali on the ropes. Every time you jab, step in and jab again. Then do the same thing .Don’t do like all the other guys do. Don’t throw your left hook to the head, he’ll pull back against the ropes and pepper you with counter-punches, instead start banging his body with both hands. That is how Norton, whose jab, speed, and power was inferior to Joe Louis, gave Ali hell in three very close fights.

[armin]

Holy shit lee looks skinny as shit in that pic