Mayweather - Cotto 2, December 1st, MGM Grand

[Rantcatrat]

As much as the first Mayweather versus Cotto fight was a good fight, the outcome was predictable, and the second fight will be even more so. taking into consideration that Cotto has reached a point in his career that he is strictly fighting big money fights, Cotto versus Canelo is the fight that should happen on 12/1. It has Puerto Rico versus Mexico drama. It's a great fight. Of course, Martinez is the real fight for Cotto, but Cotto ducked him before, and he'll do it again.

[Nameless]

For the moment, it seems more like some kind of rumors rather than anything else. The only thing we know? It's Cotto's return. Floyd's one of the many names thrown in the hat at this point.

[jon09]

I can't see Mayweather being ready by then for any fight. And it really means nothing if Mayweather beats him again anyways. The way Mayweather picks his opponents I just can't see it being made. Cotto should go after the winner of Bundrage vs Spinks and maybe that will entice Floyd for an early 2013 fight. And end the year with a unification match with Canelo in the fall.

[Master]

I do not see the sense in a rematch other than it made a lot of money. Just because it made a lot of money the first time does not mean it will the second time and just because it will be fought on the Eastside does not mean it will be closer. This is a silly return and cries of greed. Both men should move on to other challenges. This is ridiculous rematch. Cotto is a one armed boxer who relies on his conditioning and boxing skills to beat these bigger fighters. So it will be more interesting if he fight Saul and other champions in the division.

[shza]

I do not see the sense in a rematch other than it made a lot of money. Just because it made a lot of money the first time does not mean it will the second time and just because it will be fought on the Eastside does not mean it will be closer. This is a silly return and cries of greed. Both men should move on to other challenges. This is ridiculous rematch. Cotto is a one armed boxer who relies on his conditioning and boxing skills to beat these bigger fighters. So it will be more interesting if he fight Saul and other champions in the division.

I agree with this but I don't see any other interesting options for Floyd in 2012. Martinez would be the absolute best fight to make but it's undoable with him fighting Junior in September. And obviously a Pac fight isn't happening now. Really no other interesting opponent. Alvarez is way too green for him, as GBP admits. And Floyd would get shit on for fighting someone like Khan.

[ElTerribleMorales]

I can't see Mayweather being ready by then for any fight. And it really means nothing if Mayweather beats him again anyways. The way Mayweather picks his opponents I just can't see it being made. Cotto should go after the winner of Bundrage vs Spinks and maybe that will entice Floyd for an early 2013 fight. And end the year with a unification match with Canelo in the fall.

at least Mayweather is willing to give Cotto a fair rematch, unlike Pacquiao who wanted yet another catchweight fight

[TitoFan]

What's all the uproar about? All I've read from Cotto is that he set a date of Dec 1st for his comeback to the ring. To my knowledge, the opponent has yet to be decided. Canelo is set to fight on Sept 15, but doesn't have an opponent due to a run of bad luck. Granted, I myself don't see the outcome being any different in a Cotto-Mayweather rematch, although in boxing anything's possible. But Cotto is the mega-star here.... not Canelo. Canelo doesn't call the shots or makes the dates. That distinction belongs to Cotto. When Canelo has earned it.... then he can call the shots. If Canelo wants Cotto, he can decide to fight on Dec 1st, for the money he can expect to earn in a Cotto fight. Nothing complicated about that.

[Onix]

What's all the uproar about? All I've read from Cotto is that he set a date of Dec 1st for his comeback to the ring. To my knowledge, the opponent has yet to be decided. Canelo is set to fight on Sept 15, but doesn't have an opponent due to a run of bad luck. Granted, I myself don't see the outcome being any different in a Cotto-Mayweather rematch, although in boxing anything's possible. But Cotto is the mega-star here.... not Canelo. Canelo doesn't call the shots or makes the dates. That distinction belongs to Cotto. When Canelo has earned it.... then he can call the shots. If Canelo wants Cotto, he can decide to fight on Dec 1st, for the money he can expect to earn in a Cotto fight. Nothing complicated about that.

What are you basing your statement that Cotto is a Mega/bigger Star on? I know he's the veteran and most likely the more known fighter but I would think that Canelo is just a big of a draw as Cotto just based on numbers, there are after all more Mexicans than Puerto Ricans so it wouldnt be too off base to think that the PPV numbers for a Canelo PPV would be the same or more as a Cotto PPV. In terms of the live gate only in New York would Cotto be able to bring out a bigger crowd.

[Violent Demise]

What's all the uproar about? All I've read from Cotto is that he set a date of Dec 1st for his comeback to the ring. To my knowledge, the opponent has yet to be decided. Canelo is set to fight on Sept 15, but doesn't have an opponent due to a run of bad luck. Granted, I myself don't see the outcome being any different in a Cotto-Mayweather rematch, although in boxing anything's possible. But Cotto is the mega-star here.... not Canelo. Canelo doesn't call the shots or makes the dates. That distinction belongs to Cotto. When Canelo has earned it.... then he can call the shots. If Canelo wants Cotto, he can decide to fight on Dec 1st, for the money he can expect to earn in a Cotto fight. Nothing complicated about that.

What are you basing your statement that Cotto is a Mega/bigger Star on? I know he's the veteran and most likely the more known fighter but I would think that Canelo is just a big of a draw as Cotto just based on numbers, there are after all more Mexicans than Puerto Ricans so it wouldnt be too off base to think that the PPV numbers for a Canelo PPV would be the same or more as a Cotto PPV. In terms of the live gate only in New York would Cotto be able to bring out a bigger crowd.

On the fact that he's Puerto Rican like him

[ElTerribleMorales]

What's all the uproar about? All I've read from Cotto is that he set a date of Dec 1st for his comeback to the ring. To my knowledge, the opponent has yet to be decided. Canelo is set to fight on Sept 15, but doesn't have an opponent due to a run of bad luck. Granted, I myself don't see the outcome being any different in a Cotto-Mayweather rematch, although in boxing anything's possible. But Cotto is the mega-star here.... not Canelo. Canelo doesn't call the shots or makes the dates. That distinction belongs to Cotto. When Canelo has earned it.... then he can call the shots. If Canelo wants Cotto, he can decide to fight on Dec 1st, for the money he can expect to earn in a Cotto fight. Nothing complicated about that.

What are you basing your statement that Cotto is a Mega/bigger Star on? I know he's the veteran and most likely the more known fighter but I would think that Canelo is just a big of a draw as Cotto just based on numbers, there are after all more Mexicans than Puerto Ricans so it wouldnt be too off base to think that the PPV numbers for a Canelo PPV would be the same or more as a Cotto PPV. In terms of the live gate only in New York would Cotto be able to bring out a bigger crowd.

On the fact that he's Puerto Rican like him

or the fact that he hasn't fought on an undercard since 2004 when he fought N'Dou on the undercard of Pacquiao/JMM I, and that he's headlined 8 PPV's how can you say Canelo brings in the big bucks (PPV-wise) when he's never headlined one

[TitoFan]

What's all the uproar about? All I've read from Cotto is that he set a date of Dec 1st for his comeback to the ring. To my knowledge, the opponent has yet to be decided. Canelo is set to fight on Sept 15, but doesn't have an opponent due to a run of bad luck. Granted, I myself don't see the outcome being any different in a Cotto-Mayweather rematch, although in boxing anything's possible. But Cotto is the mega-star here.... not Canelo. Canelo doesn't call the shots or makes the dates. That distinction belongs to Cotto. When Canelo has earned it.... then he can call the shots. If Canelo wants Cotto, he can decide to fight on Dec 1st, for the money he can expect to earn in a Cotto fight. Nothing complicated about that.

What are you basing your statement that Cotto is a Mega/bigger Star on? I know he's the veteran and most likely the more known fighter but I would think that Canelo is just a big of a draw as Cotto just based on numbers, there are after all more Mexicans than Puerto Ricans so it wouldnt be too off base to think that the PPV numbers for a Canelo PPV would be the same or more as a Cotto PPV. In terms of the live gate only in New York would Cotto be able to bring out a bigger crowd.

I'm gonna pull the "Mexican" card for the first time, since VD does it all the time in reverse and nobody calls him on it. You Mexicans are too hilarious for words. So now Canelo is a bigger star than Cotto because there are more Mexicans than Puerto Ricans?!? Really? Did you honestly say that?

Man.... I don't have to call you guys "idiots". You do a pretty good job of demonstrating that yourselves. And then VD chimes in. I swear the only time VD comes out of his hole in the ground is when a Mexican does good, or a Puerto Rican does bad. But lately he's been pretty quiet. Not a peep about Baby Chavez and his doping suspicions/controversy.... not a word when Margacheato went and retired. He only pops up to spout some racist shit, get his ass handed to him by me..... and crawls back into anonimity for a few weeks.

Must be that "baseball bat to the wrist" injury acting up again. Hilarious post if you've never seen it. (LMAO!!)

Hey bro. If the situation was reversed... and Canelo had the boxing pedigree and record Cotto has.... and Cotto was the 21-year old up-and-coming upstart..... you and VD would be frothing at the mouth if anyone dared say Cotto was the bigger star. But you both are so slanted toward Mexicans, it's downright funny.

But I gotta say... you both keep the forum from becoming boring sometimes, with your shit.

[Onix]

What's all the uproar about? All I've read from Cotto is that he set a date of Dec 1st for his comeback to the ring. To my knowledge, the opponent has yet to be decided. Canelo is set to fight on Sept 15, but doesn't have an opponent due to a run of bad luck. Granted, I myself don't see the outcome being any different in a Cotto-Mayweather rematch, although in boxing anything's possible. But Cotto is the mega-star here.... not Canelo. Canelo doesn't call the shots or makes the dates. That distinction belongs to Cotto. When Canelo has earned it.... then he can call the shots. If Canelo wants Cotto, he can decide to fight on Dec 1st, for the money he can expect to earn in a Cotto fight. Nothing complicated about that.

What are you basing your statement that Cotto is a Mega/bigger Star on? I know he's the veteran and most likely the more known fighter but I would think that Canelo is just a big of a draw as Cotto just based on numbers, there are after all more Mexicans than Puerto Ricans so it wouldnt be too off base to think that the PPV numbers for a Canelo PPV would be the same or more as a Cotto PPV. In terms of the live gate only in New York would Cotto be able to bring out a bigger crowd.

I'm gonna pull the "Mexican" card for the first time, since VD does it all the time in reverse and nobody calls him on it. You Mexicans are too hilarious for words. So now Canelo is a bigger star than Cotto because there are more Mexicans than Puerto Ricans?!? Really? Did you honestly say that?

Man.... I don't have to call you guys "idiots". You do a pretty good job of demonstrating that yourselves. And then VD chimes in. I swear the only time VD comes out of his hole in the ground is when a Mexican does good, or a Puerto Rican does bad. But lately he's been pretty quiet. Not a peep about Baby Chavez and his doping suspicions/controversy.... not a word when Margacheato went and retired. He only pops up to spout some racist shit, get his ass handed to him by me..... and crawls back into anonimity for a few weeks.

Must be that "baseball bat to the wrist" injury acting up again. Hilarious post if you've never seen it. (LMAO!!)

Hey bro. If the situation was reversed... and Canelo had the boxing pedigree and record Cotto has.... and Cotto was the 21-year old up-and-coming upstart..... you and VD would be frothing at the mouth if anyone dared say Cotto was the bigger star. But you both are so slanted toward Mexicans, it's downright funny.

But I gotta say... you both keep the forum from becoming boring sometimes, with your shit.

So what is your answer? I know you like to talk shit but there was still no answer. I'll clarify my statement for you. I am basing my question on the fact that Canelo can bring in just as much money as Cotto based on population numbers. I would think that the bigger "star" is the person who brings in more money and the money is what calls the shots.

[jon09]

I can't see Mayweather being ready by then for any fight. And it really means nothing if Mayweather beats him again anyways. The way Mayweather picks his opponents I just can't see it being made. Cotto should go after the winner of Bundrage vs Spinks and maybe that will entice Floyd for an early 2013 fight. And end the year with a unification match with Canelo in the fall.

at least Mayweather is willing to give Cotto a fair rematch, unlike Pacquiao who wanted yet another catchweight fight

But we have not heard anything from Floyd yet and it is all rumor. And yes I give Floyd alot of credit if he does decide to fight Cotto again. I just don't see the purpose besides the money. I personally think Mayweather should get Bradley in the ring and end his career fighting Canelo. But who knows maybe Miss Jackson is bleeding his fortune buying shoes and everything else so he has to fight more for the money.

[CFH]

Why?

The first fight was close, but Mayweather was the clear winner and I don't see what Cotto could possibly do to beat him.

I actually think PBF gets the KO this time, he could have had it in the first fight.

[p4pking]

Agreed CFH(yours was the first post on this page I could stand to read), but I haven't seen any real indication this is even in the works yet. I doubt Mayweather makes any real moves until he is out of jail at least, so I'll hope this doesn't come off for now.

Thing is, assuming Golden Boy don't want to put Canelo in with Mayweather just yet, I feel only Martinez has a better chance win out of the available guys and that would only be at 154 or higher. Mayweather for me is clearly less effective above welterweight and size would be Sergios only advantage imo. Still that is the best fight to be made now imo, and yes I'm including Pacquiao