A Tale of Two Sons of Great Fighters

[hardcore_crash]

We're on the same boat, I just intrepeted that line wrong.
I don't believe a record of 100-0 means anything if the level of opposition is weak.
Chavez or anyone's record.
Same as why I don't think too highly of Calzaghe.
The thing is though during those first 30 fights Chavez Jr. was not in good shape, still learning as a fighter, and wasn't even a world champion. Those fights are crucial as learning experience just amateur fights are.
As soon as Chavez became WBC champ his competition went up, and now a year later, is booked to fight the #3 p4p fighter in my eyes. That's what really counts.
If let's say , Chavez Jr. starts fighting the likes of Vanda after he is a world champ then that is all wrong.

Chavez was purely fighting for money, money, money. Coming from a poor family if he could get a fight he signed up for it. As soon as he started getting attention he fought for titles and the rest is history. I think , I'm not sure though, that you see those 80 fights Chavez has as him padding his record which I don't think it is. And I, like you, slice his record in half.

[TitoFan]

We're on the same boat, I just intrepeted that line wrong.
I don't believe a record of 100-0 means anything if the level of opposition is weak.
Chavez or anyone's record.
Same as why I don't think too highly of Calzaghe.
The thing is though during those first 30 fights Chavez Jr. was not in good shape, still learning as a fighter, and wasn't even a world champion. Those fights are crucial as learning experience just amateur fights are.
As soon as Chavez became WBC champ his competition went up, and now a year later, is booked to fight the #3 p4p fighter in my eyes. That's what really counts.
If let's say , Chavez Jr. starts fighting the likes of Vanda after he is a world champ then that is all wrong.

Chavez was purely fighting for money, money, money. Coming from a poor family if he could get a fight he signed up for it. As soon as he started getting attention he fought for titles and the rest is history. I think , I'm not sure though, that you see those 80 fights Chavez has as him padding his record which I don't think it is. And I, like you, slice his record in half.

I got no problem with that. If you've never fought before as an amateur... you're gonna have to "cut your teeth" in your first professional fights. And maybe Vazquez Jr has taken on a bit more than he can chew by going after the Arces, Donaires, and Marquezes with barely 20 pro fights to his credit.

But when all is said and done... all that will remain will be the record. Let's say Chavez Jr retires tomorrow. He will end up with a record of 46-0-1. The fact that he had no amateur career will be a footnote in history, and his record will be compared to the great fighters who finished with records of 45-2, 40-3, 35-2, and so on and so forth. Many great names who are head and shoulders above Junior..... but the numbers will say differently.

I have no qualms with Junior being brought along at a snail's pace. I just think his record should have an asterisk next to it.... is all.

[hardcore_crash]

I agree with you on a lot of points, the thing I don't agree with is his record having an asterisk next to it.
I do agree that his record of 46-0 shouldn't be regarded as a great undefeated record, like I said the same about Calzaghe.
About Calzaghe he was a world champion for years and didn't chose to do much. Given, Chavez Jr. probably wouldn't have either if Martinez wasn't his mandatory.
I have to applaud Sulaiman for keeping his word to Martinez on that one.


I'm not too big of a Chavez Jr. fan but I feel the first post was a little unfair.
I think it's great that Vazquez Jr. started so late, and in little time climbed the ranks fast. I actually think it's amazing and very but inspirational.

It seems they took two completely different routes, and only time will tell how far their careers go.

[TitoFan]

I just hope the Sept 15 fight happens under equal terms. No doping suspicions... no foot-dragging regarding blood or urine samples... no mysteries regarding glove inspections. In short... a fight free of controversies where it's just Junior's abilities versus Sergio's. If Junior want to climb into the ring weighing over 180 pounds... then I guess there's nothing to stop him.