What's next for Haye

[rjj tszyu]

I don't think we should get over excited about the magnitude of this fight.

Yes, they were well matched, and yes haye and Chosora used their usual bombast and unpleasantness to sell the fight to a public starved of seeing world class fighters ..... but what actually happened was that a B Grade fighter beat a C Grade fighter here.

Chisora was slow and ponderous, he does not have the skills to compete at high level, and Haye (while showing decent power) was technically poor and at least 2 sto9ne lighter than a world class heavyweight needs to be these days.

Haye will continue to demonstarte his lack of taste and respect for the sport by howling and insulting whichever Klitschko is in his sights at the moment. He shouldn't get into the ring with either of them as they would still both beat him, and Vitali might actually hurt him a lot too.

Chisora will 'sink back into Bolivian.' (to quote a genuine world class fighter from the past :-)

Who is grade b? The former unified CW champion and former WBA HW champ?

[Mega]

I don't think we should get over excited about the magnitude of this fight.

Yes, they were well matched, and yes haye and Chosora used their usual bombast and unpleasantness to sell the fight to a public starved of seeing world class fighters ..... but what actually happened was that a B Grade fighter beat a C Grade fighter here.

Chisora was slow and ponderous, he does not have the skills to compete at high level, and Haye (while showing decent power) was technically poor and at least 2 sto9ne lighter than a world class heavyweight needs to be these days.

Haye will continue to demonstarte his lack of taste and respect for the sport by howling and insulting whichever Klitschko is in his sights at the moment. He shouldn't get into the ring with either of them as they would still both beat him, and Vitali might actually hurt him a lot too.

Chisora will 'sink back into Bolivian.' (to quote a genuine world class fighter from the past :-)

Who is grade b? The former unified CW champion and former WBA HW champ?

Dont even waste your fingers repyling this anti-boxing, joke of a post

[El Kabong]

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but Chisora is very inconsistent in his fighting. When determined and focused he can put forth a great effort....when he's "a little mental" he can swing wildly and come to fight out of shape. Dereck Chisora is the new Danny Williams....except with less power.

Chisora was 241 for the fight with Vitali and he looked good even considering Vitali's injury in that fight. VS Haye Chisora was 247 vs Helenius he was 243....so maybe he wasn't in the greatest of shape for Haye.


Still, styles make fights and I think Vitali (providing he fights Haye...he may he may not) would still whip his ass pretty easily. Haye seems to shell up and run away when he senses danger....people talk about the Klitschko's not taking risks, well Haye is a master of that 12-14 punches a round vs Valuev.....Valuev, not a power puncher, just a big oaf. Plus Vitali is still a little ticked off at Haye because he had the chance to sign to fight Vitali 2 times and both times HAYE was the one that went after the ever so dangerous Valuev and Chisora

[rjj tszyu]

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but Chisora is very inconsistent in his fighting. When determined and focused he can put forth a great effort....when he's "a little mental" he can swing wildly and come to fight out of shape. Dereck Chisora is the new Danny Williams....except with less power.

Chisora was 241 for the fight with Vitali and he looked good even considering Vitali's injury in that fight. VS Haye Chisora was 247 vs Helenius he was 243....so maybe he wasn't in the greatest of shape for Haye.


Still, styles make fights and I think Vitali (providing he fights Haye...he may he may not) would still whip his ass pretty easily. Haye seems to shell up and run away when he senses danger....people talk about the Klitschko's not taking risks, well Haye is a master of that 12-14 punches a round vs Valuev.....Valuev, not a power puncher, just a big oaf. Plus Vitali is still a little ticked off at Haye because he had the chance to sign to fight Vitali 2 times and both times HAYE was the one that went after the ever so dangerous Valuev and Chisora

I think we all know there are 3.5 million reasons he chose that fight over Vitali. Booth pretty much said that the cock sucking lying wanker that is Boente sent an insult of a fight contract. Haye knew he could do a far better job on Chisora than Vitali did, and to be fair I acknowledged he was injured when he did fight Chisora all the way through the build up to Haye - Chisora and people should stop reading into it too much because Haye was going to KO him. So Haye took the fight and did a number on someone that took Vitali all the way and caused him problems and had him backing up too BUT with a clear injury!

Would Vitali have taken Chisora out as well as Haye had he not been injured? I don't think so to be honest. To me it was a great piece of business to take the Chisora fight as it would get people talking about a Vitali fight without having to get mouthy about it again.

[El Kabong]

I think we all know there are 3.5 million reasons he chose that fight over Vitali. Booth pretty much said that the cock sucking lying wanker that is Boente sent an insult of a fight contract. Haye knew he could do a far better job on Chisora than Vitali did, and to be fair I acknowledged he was injured when he did fight Chisora all the way through the build up to Haye - Chisora and people should stop reading into it too much because Haye was going to KO him. So Haye took the fight and did a number on someone that took Vitali all the way and caused him problems and had him backing up too BUT with a clear injury!

Would Vitali have taken Chisora out as well as Haye had he not been injured? I don't think so to be honest. To me it was a great piece of business to take the Chisora fight as it would get people talking about a Vitali fight without having to get mouthy about it again.

Given Haye's performance vs Wladimir and the way he acted prior to and after the fight Haye was lucky to even be considered as an opponent by Vitali.

This money issue is another thing that pisses me off about Haye. I'm fucking sick of that excuse, all of Haye's worries seem to be about money...not being a worthy challenger, not earning a title shot, not titles, just money. Wlad fights Mormeck to stay busy and people especially Haye fans call him out on it why? I'm certain Wlad made a nice bit of change on that fight....or is it only ok for Haye to fight for money? Or if you don't have a title and just love to talk shit then 0 is expected of you so you're free to fight just for money?

Haye's no more dangerous than he was 4 years ago he just seems dangerous when he fights opponents that allow him to land punches.

[Rantcatrat]

Is it me or are Haye and Khan quite comparable? Both British, both two division champions, both fast, quality athletes with good boxing skills, and both lack quality chins. Haye and Khan were each starched by much lesser boxers, Haye by Carl Thompson as a cruiserweight, Khan by Breides Prescott as a lightweight.

Looking at the comparison, Haye may have the edge over Khan for two reasons: (1) he hides his primary deficiency better than Khan and (2) he has one-punch knockout power. With regard to hiding his deficiency, it's not entirely proven because Haye hasn't faced the equivalent of Danny Garcia as a heavyweight: a good, undefeated boxer who can crack a bit. I would probably put Povetkin in that group. I can't recall when it was, maybe in the beginning of the third round, but I believe Chisora connected once well against Haye, and Haye visibly reacted to it, and Chisora is no puncher. With Wlad, Wlad is sufficiently disciplined that he never gave Haye an opportunity to touch him without Haye exposing himself, and Haye couldn't risk getting touched because of his chin deficiency. A lot will be told about Haye when we see if he can handle a punch of a heavyweight. I'm not sure Haye will give us the chance to see it though, unless it is against Vitali. Even Vitali, at 40, however, doesn't have one-punch knockout power. However, he may have enough to cause Haye to fight safe the whole fight.

With regard to his power, no one can deny Haye has big punching power that Khan just doesn't possess. Haye has starched too many big men for that. It's got to be in the top ten of power currently. The punching power also gives Haye another device to mask his chin deficiency.

[Mega]

Is it me or are Haye and Khan quite comparable? Both British, both two division champions, both fast, quality athletes with good boxing skills, and both lack quality chins. Haye and Khan were each starched by much lesser boxers, Haye by Carl Thompson as a cruiserweight, Khan by Breides Prescott as a lightweight.

Looking at the comparison, Haye may have the edge over Khan for two reasons: (1) he hides his primary deficiency better than Khan and (2) he has one-punch knockout power. With regard to hiding his deficiency, it's not entirely proven because Haye hasn't faced the equivalent of Danny Garcia as a heavyweight: a good, undefeated boxer who can crack a bit. I would probably put Povetkin in that group. I can't recall when it was, maybe in the beginning of the third round, but I believe Chisora connected once well against Haye, and Haye visibly reacted to it, and Chisora is no puncher. With Wlad, Wlad is sufficiently disciplined that he never gave Haye an opportunity to touch him without Haye exposing himself, and Haye couldn't risk getting touched because of his chin deficiency. A lot will be told about Haye when we see if he can handle a punch of a heavyweight. I'm not sure Haye will give us the chance to see it though, unless it is against Vitali. Even Vitali, at 40, however, doesn't have one-punch knockout power. However, he may have enough to cause Haye to fight safe the whole fight.

With regard to his power, no one can deny Haye has big punching power that Khan just doesn't possess. Haye has starched too many big men for that. It's got to be in the top ten of power currently. The punching power also gives Haye another device to mask his chin deficiency.

Haye and Khan are not at all comparable. Haye lost to Thompson because he punched himself out and dropped a play it safe decision against Wladimir whilst taking a few big right hands. Khan lost because his chin is made of wet tissue paper and he has a ring IQ of zero.

[rjj tszyu]

Is it me or are Haye and Khan quite comparable? Both British, both two division champions, both fast, quality athletes with good boxing skills, and both lack quality chins. Haye and Khan were each starched by much lesser boxers, Haye by Carl Thompson as a cruiserweight, Khan by Breides Prescott as a lightweight.

Looking at the comparison, Haye may have the edge over Khan for two reasons: (1) he hides his primary deficiency better than Khan and (2) he has one-punch knockout power. With regard to hiding his deficiency, it's not entirely proven because Haye hasn't faced the equivalent of Danny Garcia as a heavyweight: a good, undefeated boxer who can crack a bit. I would probably put Povetkin in that group. I can't recall when it was, maybe in the beginning of the third round, but I believe Chisora connected once well against Haye, and Haye visibly reacted to it, and Chisora is no puncher. With Wlad, Wlad is sufficiently disciplined that he never gave Haye an opportunity to touch him without Haye exposing himself, and Haye couldn't risk getting touched because of his chin deficiency. A lot will be told about Haye when we see if he can handle a punch of a heavyweight. I'm not sure Haye will give us the chance to see it though, unless it is against Vitali. Even Vitali, at 40, however, doesn't have one-punch knockout power. However, he may have enough to cause Haye to fight safe the whole fight.

With regard to his power, no one can deny Haye has big punching power that Khan just doesn't possess. Haye has starched too many big men for that. It's got to be in the top ten of power currently. The punching power also gives Haye another device to mask his chin deficiency.

Haye took decent shots off Wladimir. Not many but he definitely took them. I think his chin is actually a little underrated. The shot Chisora hit him with about 10 seconds after the bell to end the 3rd that caught Haye completely going the wrong way looked a good shot and Haye just smiled and walked back to the corner. He got hit with much lesser shots at CW that floored him. I think the weight draining caused a lot of his problems back in the day. Not saying Haye has the punch resistance of Evander all of a sudden I just think he takes a better shot than some on here think.

Oh yeah and Khan is only a 1 weight champ too.

[TitoFan]

Is it me or are Haye and Khan quite comparable? Both British, both two division champions, both fast, quality athletes with good boxing skills, and both lack quality chins. Haye and Khan were each starched by much lesser boxers, Haye by Carl Thompson as a cruiserweight, Khan by Breides Prescott as a lightweight.

Looking at the comparison, Haye may have the edge over Khan for two reasons: (1) he hides his primary deficiency better than Khan and (2) he has one-punch knockout power. With regard to hiding his deficiency, it's not entirely proven because Haye hasn't faced the equivalent of Danny Garcia as a heavyweight: a good, undefeated boxer who can crack a bit. I would probably put Povetkin in that group. I can't recall when it was, maybe in the beginning of the third round, but I believe Chisora connected once well against Haye, and Haye visibly reacted to it, and Chisora is no puncher. With Wlad, Wlad is sufficiently disciplined that he never gave Haye an opportunity to touch him without Haye exposing himself, and Haye couldn't risk getting touched because of his chin deficiency. A lot will be told about Haye when we see if he can handle a punch of a heavyweight. I'm not sure Haye will give us the chance to see it though, unless it is against Vitali. Even Vitali, at 40, however, doesn't have one-punch knockout power. However, he may have enough to cause Haye to fight safe the whole fight.

With regard to his power, no one can deny Haye has big punching power that Khan just doesn't possess. Haye has starched too many big men for that. It's got to be in the top ten of power currently. The punching power also gives Haye another device to mask his chin deficiency.

Haye took decent shots off Wladimir. Not many but he definitely took them. I think his chin is actually a little underrated. The shot Chisora hit him with about 10 seconds after the bell to end the 3rd that caught Haye completely going the wrong way looked a good shot and Haye just smiled and walked back to the corner. He got hit with much lesser shots at CW that floored him. I think the weight draining caused a lot of his problems back in the day. Not saying Haye has the punch resistance of Evander all of a sudden I just think he takes a better shot than some on here think.

Oh yeah and Khan is only a 1 weight champ too.

RJJ, you feel Haye was "weight-drained" at cruiserweight? He seems to have the body build that fits a good sized cruiserweight or small heavyweight, but I wouldn't characterize him as "weight-drained" in the sense of the word we usually use to describe fighters in other divisions.

Also, you attribute Haye's "lesser chin" at CW than at HW to his weight? Again, I'm at a loss here, because to me, chin resistance has always been independent of weight. Matter of fact, it would seem that if anything his punch resistance would go down at HW, where bigger guys are throwing a lot harder punches.

[Mega]

Is it me or are Haye and Khan quite comparable? Both British, both two division champions, both fast, quality athletes with good boxing skills, and both lack quality chins. Haye and Khan were each starched by much lesser boxers, Haye by Carl Thompson as a cruiserweight, Khan by Breides Prescott as a lightweight.

Looking at the comparison, Haye may have the edge over Khan for two reasons: (1) he hides his primary deficiency better than Khan and (2) he has one-punch knockout power. With regard to hiding his deficiency, it's not entirely proven because Haye hasn't faced the equivalent of Danny Garcia as a heavyweight: a good, undefeated boxer who can crack a bit. I would probably put Povetkin in that group. I can't recall when it was, maybe in the beginning of the third round, but I believe Chisora connected once well against Haye, and Haye visibly reacted to it, and Chisora is no puncher. With Wlad, Wlad is sufficiently disciplined that he never gave Haye an opportunity to touch him without Haye exposing himself, and Haye couldn't risk getting touched because of his chin deficiency. A lot will be told about Haye when we see if he can handle a punch of a heavyweight. I'm not sure Haye will give us the chance to see it though, unless it is against Vitali. Even Vitali, at 40, however, doesn't have one-punch knockout power. However, he may have enough to cause Haye to fight safe the whole fight.

With regard to his power, no one can deny Haye has big punching power that Khan just doesn't possess. Haye has starched too many big men for that. It's got to be in the top ten of power currently. The punching power also gives Haye another device to mask his chin deficiency.

Haye took decent shots off Wladimir. Not many but he definitely took them. I think his chin is actually a little underrated. The shot Chisora hit him with about 10 seconds after the bell to end the 3rd that caught Haye completely going the wrong way looked a good shot and Haye just smiled and walked back to the corner. He got hit with much lesser shots at CW that floored him. I think the weight draining caused a lot of his problems back in the day. Not saying Haye has the punch resistance of Evander all of a sudden I just think he takes a better shot than some on here think.

Oh yeah and Khan is only a 1 weight champ too.

RJJ, you feel Haye was "weight-drained" at cruiserweight? He seems to have the body build that fits a good sized cruiserweight or small heavyweight, but I wouldn't characterize him as "weight-drained" in the sense of the word we usually use to describe fighters in other divisions.

Also, you attribute Haye's "lesser chin" at CW than at HW to his weight? Again, I'm at a loss here, because to me, chin resistance has always been independent of weight. Matter of fact, it would seem that if anything his punch resistance would go down at HW, where bigger guys are throwing a lot harder punches.

David has said in the past that he struggled to make the CW limit. And yes, draining down in weight can have an adverse effect on punch resistence. Caused by dehydration. Look it up.

[rjj tszyu]

Is it me or are Haye and Khan quite comparable? Both British, both two division champions, both fast, quality athletes with good boxing skills, and both lack quality chins. Haye and Khan were each starched by much lesser boxers, Haye by Carl Thompson as a cruiserweight, Khan by Breides Prescott as a lightweight.

Looking at the comparison, Haye may have the edge over Khan for two reasons: (1) he hides his primary deficiency better than Khan and (2) he has one-punch knockout power. With regard to hiding his deficiency, it's not entirely proven because Haye hasn't faced the equivalent of Danny Garcia as a heavyweight: a good, undefeated boxer who can crack a bit. I would probably put Povetkin in that group. I can't recall when it was, maybe in the beginning of the third round, but I believe Chisora connected once well against Haye, and Haye visibly reacted to it, and Chisora is no puncher. With Wlad, Wlad is sufficiently disciplined that he never gave Haye an opportunity to touch him without Haye exposing himself, and Haye couldn't risk getting touched because of his chin deficiency. A lot will be told about Haye when we see if he can handle a punch of a heavyweight. I'm not sure Haye will give us the chance to see it though, unless it is against Vitali. Even Vitali, at 40, however, doesn't have one-punch knockout power. However, he may have enough to cause Haye to fight safe the whole fight.

With regard to his power, no one can deny Haye has big punching power that Khan just doesn't possess. Haye has starched too many big men for that. It's got to be in the top ten of power currently. The punching power also gives Haye another device to mask his chin deficiency.

Haye took decent shots off Wladimir. Not many but he definitely took them. I think his chin is actually a little underrated. The shot Chisora hit him with about 10 seconds after the bell to end the 3rd that caught Haye completely going the wrong way looked a good shot and Haye just smiled and walked back to the corner. He got hit with much lesser shots at CW that floored him. I think the weight draining caused a lot of his problems back in the day. Not saying Haye has the punch resistance of Evander all of a sudden I just think he takes a better shot than some on here think.

Oh yeah and Khan is only a 1 weight champ too.

RJJ, you feel Haye was "weight-drained" at cruiserweight? He seems to have the body build that fits a good sized cruiserweight or small heavyweight, but I wouldn't characterize him as "weight-drained" in the sense of the word we usually use to describe fighters in other divisions.

Also, you attribute Haye's "lesser chin" at CW than at HW to his weight? Again, I'm at a loss here, because to me, chin resistance has always been independent of weight. Matter of fact, it would seem that if anything his punch resistance would go down at HW, where bigger guys are throwing a lot harder punches.

Remember though when he fought Mock (the fight in which he was declared chinny) the CW limit was still 190 and against Thompson only a blind man would say that was down to his chin and not the fact he blew himself out which was down to inexperience. I think Haye has the body of a 210-215 fighter.

Making weight can weaken you, that is without question. Or do you actually think Mock hits harder than Wlad?

[AdamGB]

Is it me or are Haye and Khan quite comparable? Both British, both two division champions, both fast, quality athletes with good boxing skills, and both lack quality chins. Haye and Khan were each starched by much lesser boxers, Haye by Carl Thompson as a cruiserweight, Khan by Breides Prescott as a lightweight.

Looking at the comparison, Haye may have the edge over Khan for two reasons: (1) he hides his primary deficiency better than Khan and (2) he has one-punch knockout power. With regard to hiding his deficiency, it's not entirely proven because Haye hasn't faced the equivalent of Danny Garcia as a heavyweight: a good, undefeated boxer who can crack a bit. I would probably put Povetkin in that group. I can't recall when it was, maybe in the beginning of the third round, but I believe Chisora connected once well against Haye, and Haye visibly reacted to it, and Chisora is no puncher. With Wlad, Wlad is sufficiently disciplined that he never gave Haye an opportunity to touch him without Haye exposing himself, and Haye couldn't risk getting touched because of his chin deficiency. A lot will be told about Haye when we see if he can handle a punch of a heavyweight. I'm not sure Haye will give us the chance to see it though, unless it is against Vitali. Even Vitali, at 40, however, doesn't have one-punch knockout power. However, he may have enough to cause Haye to fight safe the whole fight.

With regard to his power, no one can deny Haye has big punching power that Khan just doesn't possess. Haye has starched too many big men for that. It's got to be in the top ten of power currently. The punching power also gives Haye another device to mask his chin deficiency.

Haye took decent shots off Wladimir. Not many but he definitely took them. I think his chin is actually a little underrated. The shot Chisora hit him with about 10 seconds after the bell to end the 3rd that caught Haye completely going the wrong way looked a good shot and Haye just smiled and walked back to the corner. He got hit with much lesser shots at CW that floored him. I think the weight draining caused a lot of his problems back in the day. Not saying Haye has the punch resistance of Evander all of a sudden I just think he takes a better shot than some on here think.

Oh yeah and Khan is only a 1 weight champ too.

RJJ, you feel Haye was "weight-drained" at cruiserweight? He seems to have the body build that fits a good sized cruiserweight or small heavyweight, but I wouldn't characterize him as "weight-drained" in the sense of the word we usually use to describe fighters in other divisions.

Also, you attribute Haye's "lesser chin" at CW than at HW to his weight? Again, I'm at a loss here, because to me, chin resistance has always been independent of weight. Matter of fact, it would seem that if anything his punch resistance would go down at HW, where bigger guys are throwing a lot harder punches.

Dehydrate a stone of fluids out of your body and tell me how steady your legs feel... you do know that a dehydrated fighter has less fluid cushioning the brain as well?

Why do you think they banned same day weigh ins?

Boiling down to a weight definetly has a big part to play in chin. Heavies may have more mass behind a punch but if you can see a punch coming you'll ride the punch and reduce the force delivered. The ones that catch you blind are the ones that hurt.

There are too many factors to say for sure, but the argument that Haye's chin is better at heavy is credible - mote fluid around the brain, more glycogen and h2o etc in his cells and slower punches that he can ride if he sees them coming before they hit.

[erics44]

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but Chisora is very inconsistent in his fighting. When determined and focused he can put forth a great effort....when he's "a little mental" he can swing wildly and come to fight out of shape. Dereck Chisora is the new Danny Williams....except with less power.

Chisora was 241 for the fight with Vitali and he looked good even considering Vitali's injury in that fight. VS Haye Chisora was 247 vs Helenius he was 243....so maybe he wasn't in the greatest of shape for Haye.


Still, styles make fights and I think Vitali (providing he fights Haye...he may he may not) would still whip his ass pretty easily. Haye seems to shell up and run away when he senses danger....people talk about the Klitschko's not taking risks, well Haye is a master of that 12-14 punches a round vs Valuev.....Valuev, not a power puncher, just a big oaf. Plus Vitali is still a little ticked off at Haye because he had the chance to sign to fight Vitali 2 times and both times HAYE was the one that went after the ever so dangerous Valuev and Chisora

haye battered him a lot better than vitali did tho

top fight want tit?

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

haye battered him a lot better than vitali did tho

Michalkewski battered griffin and Thadzi better than james toney!! Are we to belive toney would not stand a chance vs DM? Anyway...

Vitali was 65% at best in that fight. Also let's not forget for a haye fight he would be seriously motivated! He hate's him....

A fit VK has a granite chin, iron mentality and rarely gets outboxed! Can't say the same for haye.

Let's be honest, the klitschko brothers are far better than those two london clowns! Anyone noticed how haye has not yet mentioned wlad?? He think's vitali is ripe for the taking and know's deep down he is not on wlad's level so doesn't even entertain the idea of a rematch!!

The haye/chisora fight wasn't even that spectacular anyway, it was mainly haye hugging and running until the finish....