Khan is in the wrong gym

[beenKOed]

Trainers are not socks, one size does not fit all. Trainers can help fighters if the fighter will listen. Some trainers can be the wrong choice for a fighter, too. You can't remake a fighter into the image of another fighter. Trainers can make improvements here and there but no one is going to to be training a batch of Mayweathers into existence. The best trainers know their fighters faults and strengths and try to suppress the faults and strengthen the other. I like Steward and Roach because they give the best advice during the fight.

[Kirkland Laing]

Khan's chin is worse than you think. Watch any of his recent fights, but particularly the Maidana/Peterson fights. The bell for the first round goes and Khan is unbelievably quick, people struggle to get near him. Then eventually after a round or three they land a decent punch. Khan doesn't go down but he's seriously buzzed and his speed deserts him. Guys like Maidana suddenly are as quick as Khan is.

So it's not like he's in wars because he likes to fight like that, it's because he hasn't got any choice in the matter after he gets slowed down. And there's no way to fix this. If he moves back down to 135 he's so weakened he can get knocked on his arse by feather-fisted domestic fighters. If he moves up to 147 world alphabet level he gets badly sparked. And forget about tightening up his defence, he's going to get hit at some point no matter how he fights. All he can do is remain at 140 and take part in a few more entertaining wars for whatever world-level fights Golden Boy can make. Due to his unbelievably bad chin guys like Peterson and Maidana who don't have a fraction of his skill are Khan's level in boxing.

[Kirkland Laing]

And when was the last time you watched a Vegas fight and saw a bunch of refs/judges sitting in the ringside TV seats? Cortez, Nady etc. They couldn't even give those seats away to casino customers? And all the empty seats in the arena too. Why do HBO and Golden Boy say Khan is any kind of draw in Vegas?

[rjj tszyu]

And when was the last time you watched a Vegas fight and saw a bunch of refs/judges sitting in the ringside TV seats? Cortez, Nady etc. They couldn't even give those seats away to casino customers? And all the empty seats in the arena too. Why do HBO and Golden Boy say Khan is any kind of draw in Vegas?

Does anyone know the official attendance?

I've always wondered how Khan has gotten so popular over in the states(according to himself). He was saying just last week that he is more popular in America than Kell Brook is in Britain. Not that Brook is particularly popular here but Khan sounded like he was Elvis when he said that.

I think that should be the next fight for each man now, with the winner moving up a level!

[Kirkland Laing]

And when was the last time you watched a Vegas fight and saw a bunch of refs/judges sitting in the ringside TV seats? Cortez, Nady etc. They couldn't even give those seats away to casino customers? And all the empty seats in the arena too. Why do HBO and Golden Boy say Khan is any kind of draw in Vegas?

Does anyone know the official attendance?

I've always wondered how Khan has gotten so popular over in the states(according to himself). He was saying just last week that he is more popular in America than Kell Brook is in Britain. Not that Brook is particularly popular here but Khan sounded like he was Elvis when he said that.

I think that should be the next fight for each man now, with the winner moving up a level!

I'd like to know how many people actually paid money for a ticket. Anybody know?

[Master]

Heard him on radio and he said that he has been moving and training at a lot of different locations and that he needs to fight in one training camp. He wants his next fight in the UK preferably against Garcia.

[jahmez]

Hard to believe that he still has absolutely no inside game. Watching him hurt now and all he's doing is either earmuffing right in the centre line or trying to run?

[Althugz]

And when was the last time you watched a Vegas fight and saw a bunch of refs/judges sitting in the ringside TV seats? Cortez, Nady etc. They couldn't even give those seats away to casino customers? And all the empty seats in the arena too. Why do HBO and Golden Boy say Khan is any kind of draw in Vegas?

7000 I believe they said the attendance was. Either Sky Sports or HBO mentioned.

So not exactly a huge draw. He filled half an arena. Mandalay Bay holds about 14000, right?

[Kirkland Laing]

And when was the last time you watched a Vegas fight and saw a bunch of refs/judges sitting in the ringside TV seats? Cortez, Nady etc. They couldn't even give those seats away to casino customers? And all the empty seats in the arena too. Why do HBO and Golden Boy say Khan is any kind of draw in Vegas?

7000 I believe they said the attendance was. Either Sky Sports or HBO mentioned.

So not exactly a huge draw. He filled half an arena. Mandalay Bay holds about 14000, right?

7000 people were in there but how many paid for their tickets and how many were freebies?

[Dia bando]

Interesting all this crap about a game plan, this is no game plan he has no survival in stink, and no chin
may I suggest Andre send's over, a old steel Ned Kelly helmet for Khan, he needs it.

[IamInuit]

Trainers are not socks, one size does not fit all. Trainers can help fighters if the fighter will listen. Some trainers can be the wrong choice for a fighter, too. You can't remake a fighter into the image of another fighter. Trainers can make improvements here and there but no one is going to to be training a batch of Mayweathers into existence. The best trainers know their fighters faults and strengths and try to suppress the faults and strengthen the other. I like Steward and Roach because they give the best advice during the fight.

That is simplistic. How is it that learning how to tie up and/or clinch is not part of Khans repertoire?
Give me a list of Roach fighters that know how to clinch or tie-up etc? Given Khans chin issues, you might want to make that an imperative.

[El Kabong]

That is simplistic. How is it that learning how to tie up and/or clinch is not part of Khans repertoire?
Give me a list of Roach fighters that know how to clinch or tie-up etc? Given Khans chin issues, you might want to make that an imperative.

I remember Freddy Roach giving Wlad shit for having fired him and he said something to the extent of "I tried to teach Wlad how to clinch/tie up and he didn't stay with me long enough to learn but I bet he wishes he would have now" it was after the Corrie Sanders fight.

Roach is a great trainer, but even great trainers don't always click with every fighter. Trainers have a lot to think about as well, and a short time in which to relay information to their fighter. I don't blame Roach for Khan's loss because Freddy brought Khan back from the Prescott defeat, but in order for Khan to improve I think he's going to need something to change.

[IamInuit]

I'm not trying to be overly hard on Roach but the fact of the matter is, he does not teach his fighters how to clinch or tie-up. He himself was a face first fighter. Having said that, when you have a fighter as fragile as Khan both chin wise and mentally, it ought to be an imperative in training.

[El Kabong]

I'm not trying to be overly hard on Roach but the fact of the matter is, he does not teach his fighters how to clinch or tie-up. He himself was a face first fighter. Having said that, when you have a fighter as fragile as Khan both chin wise and mentally, it ought to be an imperative in training.

since he got with Pac IMO Roach has been all about overwhelming an opponent with blazing fast hand speed and power. It's a great style to watch, but as with any other style it has it's drawbacks. I think Bruce Lee had it correct, to fight without a certain style is best. Every style in boxing has it's counter and it's weaknesses, but if you open your mind and adapt to who is in front of you then you will be better off. Khan simply didn't fight smart and he paid the price. The trainers aren't the only ones that have to be smart, the fighters do too.

[Althugz]

I'm not trying to be overly hard on Roach but the fact of the matter is, he does not teach his fighters how to clinch or tie-up. He himself was a face first fighter. Having said that, when you have a fighter as fragile as Khan both chin wise and mentally, it ought to be an imperative in training.

The trainers aren't the only ones that have to be smart, the fighters do too.

Yeah, I definitely see your point here. I mean it's not like Roger ever tells Floyd anything special in the corner is it?

"Keep tappin that bitch...that muh fucka gon go later on anyway"

Floyd just has it in him to adapt. Very hard to teach that boxing brain.

It's funny because I think a part of it is to do with attitude. Ironically, guys like Khan and Hatton who seem very outwardly humble, I ALWAYS detected hints of arrogance from these guys. Hatton saying "Floyd ain't knocking me out..when did he last knock someone out? I'm stronger and bigger than him etc" and Khan saying "We're gonna jump on him and I promise to knock him out" - Over rating themselves and not planning for the opposite scenario.

Where as Floyd is the opposite..Outwardly arrogant but once he gets inside that gym, I get the feeling he is humble about his skills. That's why he trains so hard..he needs to back up his outward arrogance.