Where do you rate Wladimir Klitschko among all-time heavyweights?

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

Greatest eastern european HW so far. Compartmentalising wlad and labelling him with a no. makes others feel wlad is not as big a threat toward's there hero's hence he will never get close to the american top 10. Truth is none of those men fought in a global era of the sport, half of them would be CW's/LHW'S today and prime wlad would be a massive threat to anyone, ever! Who care's if someone stick's him between a pair of number's! Truth is he would anihilate i.e joe frazier RIP.

I'm not sure whether I interpreted this correctly. Would you care to elaborate?

It's quite simple...soviets and cubans did not turn pro up until a decade or so ago. Cubans rarely defect even now but they are trickling through (see the castillo brothers, solis, mike perez etc)

Americans fought mainly americans with a frew brits and the odd european chucked in. It's much more diverse nowadays. Plus half of the last boxing century was corrupt!

[Mark TKO]

20 at best

Whoever said he has either won easily or lost easily had it right .

Though didn't someone once deck him twice yet he went on to win ? Can't remember who it was and never saw the fight so don't know how deep a trouble he was actually in ?

Anyway apart from that he has always been safety first and let little guys take him to the late rounds when he should have had them out of there inside of 3.

And for all the slagging off Haye got for not engaging with Wlad, Wlad never lived up to his pre fight pledge to KO Haye either

[El Kabong]

Wladimir fought Sam Peter after the losses to Sanders & Brewster & the piss poor showing vs Williamson and AT THE TIME this was seen as a crossroads bout with Wlad on the decline and Sam Peter seemingly being "the next big thing". That was a huge win for Wladimir, it turned his career around entirely he was knocked down a total of 3 times though some people question where the punches landed although Wladimir never looked to the ref for help and never complained. The win vs Peter was HUGE, he's barely lost a round since then.

Top 20...bah....go ahead and name better 19 better heavyweights than Wladimir. Sure others have had harder eras, but there have been others with weaker eras and they haven't accomplished what Wladimir has done. Wlad is a great champion.

as for letting little guys go deep into fights with him...Johnson-Ketchel anyone? Marciano-Charles? Holyfield-Moorer?

[Mark TKO]

Right Lyle - see fact below.

in his prime Frank Bruno would have knocked out Wlad.

I rest my case

[El Kabong]

Right Lyle - see fact below.

in his prime Frank Bruno would have knocked out Wlad.

I rest my case

Right....Wlad would have still been in diapers at that time though



If we're talking Prime vs Prime then I hate to tell you but Wlad whips Bruno's ass every day of the week and twice on Sunday

[Mark TKO]

Big Frank would have him by the 5th. Wlad would have been terrified of Frank's punching power.


In both their primes if I was forced, with a gun to my head, to put everything I had on one outcome then I would honestly have gone Frank by KO in round 5.

[El Kabong]

Big Frank would have him by the 5th. Wlad would have been terrified of Frank's punching power.


In both their primes if I was forced, with a gun to my head, to put everything I had on one outcome then I would honestly have gone Frank by KO in round 5.

....that because he did so well vs fighters with punching power?

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

I have him at 9.
Have done since he really started cleaning up the division.

I don't rate boxers as boxers or fighters but as champions - because that's all you can do.

Wladimir has been a unified, dominant champ for what seems like forever.