Enzo Maccarinelli handed six month drugs ban

[Trecco bay]

The product Enzo used is called dexaprine , and it states that it can be used by athletes and doesn't mention any banned substances , Enzo even gave it to the bbbofc to analyse it, it was just an honest mistake

[Althugz]

The product Enzo used is called dexaprine , and it states that it can be used by athletes and doesn't mention any banned substances , Enzo even gave it to the bbbofc to analyse it, it was just an honest mistake

Plain as day, my friend - 1,3-Dimethylphenylamine

Ingredients:

Dexaprine Tri-Phase Ignition System:
650 mg ** Thermogenic Amine Mood Enhancement Complex:
Citrus Aurantium (30% Active Amines), 1,3-Dimethylphenylamine
** Extended Release Energy Complex:
Caffeine Anhydrous, Theophylline
** Anabolic Protein Synthesis Enhancing Complex:
3,3 Diiodo L Thyronine (200 mcg), 3,5 Diiodo L Thyronine (100 mcg)

[Beanz]

SPOT THE DIFFERENCEBOXER 1

"I had to make money and the mind-frame I was in at the time dictated my actions....
In the past I saw idols of mine being found guilty of using performance enhancing drugs, the likes of Shane Mosley, Evander Holyfield and James Toney (twice) and upon seeing the punishments they were handed, I thought that I could do the same and be unlikely to get caught or receive the same punishment "

“Yes I had been doping for six years but for most of you guys to think my opponents were not because of their physiques is quite ridiculous. Although I will not mention any names the majority of the boxers you all love so dear are on the stuff, fact and this is from me talking to them, seeing them buy the stuff or talking to their training personnel. Cheating is when you are the only person doing something and since I know that I wasn’t the only person doing it, it can’t be defined as cheating.
“A large minority if not majority of boxers are doping and the naivety of the public to think that mine is an isolated case is staggering. Also I am surprised I get so much stick but the guys I look up to in the sport like Roy Jones, Shane Mosley and James Toney who have all been caught don’t get as much stick.”

BOXER 2

"I have been tested over 20 times in my career and have never failed any random or post-fight doping test, but on this occasion, due to my naivety, I have tested positive for a banned substance.I am very conscious of my reputation within the sport of boxing and even prior to the decision, that has been released, I promised to fully accept any punishment that was given as a result of this positive test,...Furthermore, I voluntarily vacated ......... to allow my opponent, ......., the opportunity to re-challenge for it whilst I serve my suspension, as I could not bear the thought of holding such a prestigious championship if anyone thought that I hadn't won it fairly."

[Memphis]

Whilst their attitudes pre and post are clearly polar opposites they both got caught taking something they shouldnt.

Whether they knew about it or not is a mute point as far as Im concerned.

Naivety isnt an excuse.

[Beanz]

Whilst their attitudes pre and post are clearly polar opposites they both got caught taking something they shouldnt.

Whether they knew about it or not is a mute point as far as Im concerned.

Naivety isnt an excuse.

You are quite correct it is no excuse. The fact remains though each case is clearly different and should be judged accordingly.

[Memphis]

In a way I see Enzo as being more stupid than Larry. Larry didnt give a shit, Enzo apparently did and still fucked up

If your job is dependant on you having a driving license and you a) Have a bottle of vodka on the go in your van/cab b) have a few pints the night before and get pinged in the morning your still just as much sacked.

[Althugz]

In a way I see Enzo as being more stupid than Larry. Larry didnt give a shit, Enzo apparently did and still fucked up

If your job is dependant on you having a driving license and you a) Have a bottle of vodka on the go in your van/cab b) have a few pints the night before and get pinged in the morning your still just as much sacked.

Exactly

I feel that people are missing the point here. I'm not comparing their attitudes on the matter. Yes, their attitudes are clearly different. It's totally obvious that Enzo was naive to the matter..I do actually believe him. Whether I'm right or wrong to do so..

BUT, you let Enzo off the hook, then you set the precedent. 6 Months? That punishment might be worth it to some boxers who now have a "cut and paste" naiveity excuse should they be caught on ANYTHING.

I'm dealing in facts here.

End of the day, BOTH fighters were on PED's against their opponent. I know that many of you feel that this endagers the opponent so why is Enzo's naiveity ok? Facts are, he took what he took and gained an "unfair" advantage. As Memphis said, naivety is no excuse. If his opponent had died and then he tested positive and cited that it was "an accident", I guarantee you'd be singing different tunes. (Not that I believe there is anymore risk of fatal injury by somebody being on something - Too many variables to make that assertion)

[Beanz]

In a way I see Enzo as being more stupid than Larry. Larry didnt give a shit, Enzo apparently did and still fucked up

If your job is dependant on you having a driving license and you a) Have a bottle of vodka on the go in your van/cab b) have a few pints the night before and get pinged in the morning your still just as much sacked.

You haven't carried your analogy through to it's logical conclusion though. If the authorities (in this case the Police) caught you over the drink drive limit, the punishment (in this case the length of driving ban and possible imprisonment) handed out by the Magistrate would be entirely different dependent on the amount of alcohol consumed, whether you were aware of being over the limit,the amount of times you subsequently admitted to doing so, and many other extenuating circumstances. When it comes to driving, Alcohol is not a performance enhancing drug though, so the example does not really fit.

The two distinct punishments may seem entirely arbitrary until you take into account the fact that if Larry were to be given 6 months for each admitted breach he would soon tot up a sentence of 6 and a half years. Instead, despite the fact that he admitted cheating for 6 year,s he was only given a four year ban. With a BSc in Pharmaceutical chemistry he could hardly claim ignorance.

[Trecco bay]

Althugz still can't get it through his thick head , perhaps he is blinded by his infatuation with larry , that the two cases are different , that is why their bans are not the same .Larry case was part of an investigation into anobolic steriods and growth hormones that where being smuggled into the uk, and some of them could have got into gyms where young boxers could have been tempted into buying them . That is why the bbbofc reflected in their ban a longer sentence , if larry had been caught with just epo in his system he probably would have got a 6 mth ban

[Althugz]

Hey, I'm totally with you guys. I feel that Enzo took it without knowing. It was unfortunate. My point which Adam can't read either because of his immense emotional butthurt, or simple lack of reading skills is that accidental or not, he had that advantage on fight night according to the tests. You can't let him off with a 6 month ban because it sets a bad precedent. 6 months is the same as time off. Other boxers now have a blueprint to escape a true punishment.

SuperHeavy..you're correct 1-3 Dimethylanine isn't written expicitly on the banned list. However, it is another name for what he was caught for, which is on the list. That's why I suggested hiring an expert for anyone who is taking supplements in boxing. It's a shame it has to be like that but UKAD are making it that way.

[superheavyrhun]

Disclaimer - I am an Enzo fan and am coming at it with the belief that it was a genuine mistake.

Thanks for posting that list of ingredients Althugz, I had a quick look into what UKAD actually provides for athletes, and their website refers them on to the Global DRO website to check the individual ingredients and brands to see if they are actually banned.

Having run all of the ingredients you mentioned through their website search facility, none of those come up with a result that is prohibited. Dimethylphenylamine doesn't bring up a direct result, however, it does suggest dimethylpentylamine, which is a prohibited substance in competition. I have no idea if the structure of the substance can change when it comes into contact with the human body, and all of the reactions that take place in the body.

The burden is on the boxer to make sure that whatever they take isn't banned in its original form and to ensure the compounds that are generated during the consumption and the body's processing of these supplements, and they won't always react in the same way in every person. Boxers and their trainers aren't chemists, but I agree that there needs to be a clearer system.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Disclaimer - I am an Enzo fan and am coming at it with the belief that it was a genuine mistake.

Thanks for posting that list of ingredients Althugz, I had a quick look into what UKAD actually provides for athletes, and their website refers them on to the Global DRO website to check the individual ingredients and brands to see if they are actually banned.

Having run all of the ingredients you mentioned through their website search facility, none of those come up with a result that is prohibited. Dimethylphenylamine doesn't bring up a direct result, however, it does suggest dimethylpentylamine, which is a prohibited substance in competition. I have no idea if the structure of the substance can change when it comes into contact with the human body, and all of the reactions that take place in the body.

The burden is on the boxer to make sure that whatever they take isn't banned in its original form and to ensure the compounds that are generated during the consumption and the body's processing of these supplements, and they won't always react in the same way in every person. Boxers and their trainers aren't chemists, but I agree that there needs to be a clearer system.

I remember a story from the winter olympics where a British athlete tested positive. His crime was using a US vicks inhaler which contained slightly different contents to the one you can buy in the UK.

Not all supplements that you buy over the counter will say whether you can or can't use them if you're competing.

Yes you should check but plenty of people will assume if it's over the counter it is safe to use and if doesnt say don't use if you're competing/screened then again will assume no ill side affects.