Quote Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHER View Post
Ruslan Chagaev weighed 242.5 for Kertson Manswell.

Ruslan weighed 224¾ lbs for Wlad klitschko!

Manswell is shit, ustinov and stiverne both knocked him out early, perez outclassed him too! Chag is done as any serious force in the division, has been since klitschko! Mitchell imo is a better US prospect than wilder and jennings looks to have the goods too...the best americans at the minute are chambers, thompson and kingpin johnson. Out of the 4 best prospects mitchell, hanks, jennings and wilder, wilder is the least talented...triangle theories are meaningless, to judge wilder on his fight with manswell and then bring a fading former champ like Chag into it is silly....Chag beat felix savon ffs, wilder lost to Clemente Russo.

Bummy 10-11 ART CARD went the distance with larry holmes and was then kayoed in 1 by corrie sanders in his next fight! Norton pushed holmes all the way and was then kayoed in 1 by cooney, rodriguez went the distance with holmes and was then kayoed in 1 by bruno etc....

I saw a sparring vid of wilder recently and he truly is terrible. Pulev and boystov would put pay to the burgeoning hype train, believe...

Wilder hasn't even fought anyone on the level of i.e dimitrenko yet ffs!

Take David Price for example. He beat Sam Sexton (14-3, 6 KOs) last time out, and Sexton had only been beaten previously by Derek Chisora, yet Price was criticized by some on this site for taking on a spent force. When Wilder takes on a guy that has lost majority of his last few fights and has not fought in years i.e owen beck he’s considered to be taking on a “dangerous threat.”

If I was Wilder, I would want to prove I deserve to be in the heavyweight elite. I would want to face the best. I would be looking at taking on the loser of the Haye/Chisora fight as both have been in with world champions.

However, I see Wilder struggling against any of those, the gap in class between what he is used to and what he should be ready for is that between night and day. His promoter has been feeding him opponents he will learn nothing from for too long. At least with Fury experiments against his opponents. For example, in his fight against 40-year-old Martin Rogan recently, Fury fought out of the Southpaw stance the entire fight. Wilder seems to just be knocking out bums for the sake of it.

Wilder is living a protected existence. He is fighting fighters who he knows.

Owen beck was on an 8 fight losing streak ffs! lol
Who said he was taking on a "dangerous threat" in Beck? I certainly didn't. Wilder would kill Mitchell mark my words. I'll bring this thread back up to mock you when the time comes don't worry!

I've said Wilder is a work in progress that needs to step it up a bit now. Not one person in this thread has tried to say he's been taking on good fighters, yet you jump all over it. As for him losing to Russo, there is no shame in any fighter who has only been fighting 2 1/2 years making the semis of the Olympics and being beaten by Russo. He's shit to watch but he's effective. If Wilder fought him again now he'd kill Russo.

As for the sparring video that you've "seen" that proves how shit he is, I've seen sparring videos of Floyd Mayweather not looking great (to say the least) against Paul Spadafora, does that mean Mayweather is shit?

Wilder is a young lad that made Bronze with very little experience, turned Pro and has since been carefully (rightly too) brought along and is now starting to fight people with names that boxing fans recognize. No one has said he's ready for a Klit fight or anything of the sort, yet you jump all over the thread trying to knock the kid down before he has even had chance to make a name for himself. He's had 24 fights and has won them all by KO. That's not a bad record for a lad who has still only been in the game 6 1/2 years including his amateur career.

No one starts boxing as a great you know? It's something that has to be worked towards and I think Wilder is heading in the right direction. Like Lyle said earlier someone like Guinn could be a good move next. I've said Wilder is the top HW in the U.S. because the HW's over there are total total shit and I do think he could beat the rest.