Greatest amateur fighter of all time..

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

Papp defeated Zbigniew Pietrzykowski numerous times, Zbigniew lost to clay in the olympic final on points!! Zbigniew claims papp was "greater than ali".....

Papp also defeated american ellsworth 'Spider' Webb who beat 3 world MW champs as a pro, Dick tiger, the great Joey Giardello (who stopped Rubin Carter and dick tiger!) and Terry Downes.

[Andre]

Papp defeated Zbigniew Pietrzykowski numerous times, Zbigniew lost to clay in the olympic final on points!! Zbigniew claims papp was "greater than ali".....

Papp also defeated american ellsworth 'Spider' Webb who beat 3 world MW champs as a pro, Dick tiger, the great Joey Giardello (who stopped Rubin Carter and dick tiger!) and Terry Downes.

Yeah and that era was the real out to kill your opponent era, tough fighters trying to put poison on every shot.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

Papp defeated Zbigniew Pietrzykowski numerous times, Zbigniew lost to clay in the olympic final on points!! Zbigniew claims papp was "greater than ali".....

Papp also defeated american ellsworth 'Spider' Webb who beat 3 world MW champs as a pro, Dick tiger, the great Joey Giardello (who stopped Rubin Carter and dick tiger!) and Terry Downes.

Yeah and that era was the real out to kill your opponent era, tough fighters trying to put poison on every shot.

Yap.

[ICB]

Donald Curry, Mark Breland, come to mind Donald Curry had a 400-4 Amateur record.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

Donald Curry, Mark Breland, come to mind Donald Curry had a 400-4 Amateur record.

In my humble opinion if you want to focus on BRILLIANT amateur careers you can't include in any top 10 mark Breland, especially before the likes of Savon, Lagutin, Stevenson and many others!

I am not saying this out of bigotry or anything, but i must say that the knowledge of most fansis extremely poor when it comes to Amateur boxing! Questions like this prove that.

Why Mark Breland is included in any top 10 of greatest amateurs ever? Simply because he is the best American amateur probably?

Anyways, there could be a case that Guillermo could be included as a top 10 amateur of all time, but the GREATEST THOUGH? HECK NO!

As for Breland, not to sound disrespectful, but i believe he is not even top 20 if you consider some bright careers and people who achieved WAY more than Breland ever did as an amateur! I mean let's be realistic, the man did not even stay amateur for a long time, how can he be compared with people who spent 20 years as amateurs and won 50 times more amateur titles and battles than him, that's unfair man, not to say irrational.

Anyways, check these names if you really care to find out about great amateurs :
Laszlo Papp
Felix Savon
Teofilo Stevenson
Boris Lagutin
Aleksei Tishchenko (still active)
Mario Kindelán
Oleg Saitov (The greatest amateur boxer of the 90's)
Jerzy Kulej
Vladimir Yengibaryan
Vasyl Lomachenko (still active)

I consider all these 10 boxers, DEFINITELY superior to Breland by any way you look at it, but someone could argue and say that i.e Guillermo has achieved more (for now) than Lomachenko, even though Guillermo was voted only one time as the best amateur boxer in the world by AIBA, while Lomachenko has been voted already 3 times at the age of what 22 or 23 and has also won the val barker, guillermo didn't!

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

P.S There is no way Donald Curry got 404 amateur bouts unless he started boxing when he was 5 or 6 and competed every single week of every year and participated in every tournament and national competition. There was no record keeping of bouts prior to 1987, at which time the passbooks were issued. Donald Curry, and anyone else prior to 1987, could say anything he wanted regarding the amount of amateur bouts hed had and there would be NO WAY to verify it. Curry 'THINKS' he had that number of bout's.

Unfortunately Curry never fought at the olympics either.

There are a lot of amateur records that are prolific, but don't include real national titles that at first glance seem unbelievable. Curry was definitely a great AMERICAN amateur no doubt...

Scotlands Dick McTaggart was greater than curry or breland IMO. Supposedly had a record of 634-24 and that included 3 Olympic games (Gold in '56, Bronze in '60). He only lost to eventual Gold medal winners in the two games he didn't win Gold. He was also awarded the val barker trophy too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Val_Barker_Trophy

Roy jones and zab judah were exceptional AMERICAN amateurs too.

[Majesty]

Sugar Ray Robinson.

[ICB]

Donald Curry, Mark Breland, come to mind Donald Curry had a 400-4 Amateur record.

In my humble opinion if you want to focus on BRILLIANT amateur careers you can't include in any top 10 mark Breland, especially before the likes of Savon, Lagutin, Stevenson and many others!

I am not saying this out of bigotry or anything, but i must say that the knowledge of most fansis extremely poor when it comes to Amateur boxing! Questions like this prove that.

Why Mark Breland is included in any top 10 of greatest amateurs ever? Simply because he is the best American amateur probably?

Anyways, there could be a case that Guillermo could be included as a top 10 amateur of all time, but the GREATEST THOUGH? HECK NO!

As for Breland, not to sound disrespectful, but i believe he is not even top 20 if you consider some bright careers and people who achieved WAY more than Breland ever did as an amateur! I mean let's be realistic, the man did not even stay amateur for a long time, how can he be compared with people who spent 20 years as amateurs and won 50 times more amateur titles and battles than him, that's unfair man, not to say irrational.

Anyways, check these names if you really care to find out about great amateurs :
Laszlo Papp
Felix Savon
Teofilo Stevenson
Boris Lagutin
Aleksei Tishchenko (still active)
Mario Kindelán
Oleg Saitov (The greatest amateur boxer of the 90's)
Jerzy Kulej
Vladimir Yengibaryan
Vasyl Lomachenko (still active)

I consider all these 10 boxers, DEFINITELY superior to Breland by any way you look at it, but someone could argue and say that i.e Guillermo has achieved more (for now) than Lomachenko, even though Guillermo was voted only one time as the best amateur boxer in the world by AIBA, while Lomachenko has been voted already 3 times at the age of what 22 or 23 and has also won the val barker, guillermo didn't!

I wern't saying they were the greatest, they were just great Amateur's that come to mind. In all honesty i misread the topic i thought it said "Great Amateurs" not "Greatest". I don't know if Donald Curry had that many for 100 percent, its just something i've heard before and read on wikipedia.