Can Sergio Martinez actually win a decision ?

[Spicoli]

I think he can. Physically it's an uphill battle, not to mention he'll be in a massively hostile envroment. The deck is clearly stacked. But mentally and skillset wise it's very much man vs boy. Chavez part Deaux sounded like he was dropped on his misshapen mutten chops having head as an infant one too many times at the end of lastnights 24-7.

[Mars_ax]

I think he can. Physically it's an uphill battle, not to mention he'll be in a massively hostile envroment. The deck is clearly stacked. But mentally and skillset wise it's very much man vs boy. Chavez part Deaux sounded like he was dropped on his misshapen mutten chops having head as an infant one too many times at the end of lastnights 24-7.

I'm not so sure it will be all that hostile in Vegas, Sergio will have some fans there too, remember Chavez Jr. is a Mexican not an American who hasn't even bothered to try and speak English, his daddy never bothered to learn English either. Just saying, aside from Latinos, I don't believe Jr. has that big of a fan base here in the U.S.

Sergio is a warrior, consummate professional, and used to fighting in adverse environments, so I don't see that being any advantage for Julio.

For what it's worth, I really believe Jr. has been using PEDs during much of his career, how it hasn't been detected so far is a mystery. Nevada has pretty decent drug testing, it wouldn't surprise me if Jr. hasn't been using PEDs leading up to his fight with Martinez and tests positive for something either before or after the fight. Actually PEDs are the only way Jr. has any chance of winning this fight, without them he'll get clowned badly, and even with them he's in trouble.

And yeah Spicoli, I believe Julio Jr. was a crack baby, who got dropped on his head too many times by his daddy.

[TitoFan]

I think he can. Physically it's an uphill battle, not to mention he'll be in a massively hostile envroment. The deck is clearly stacked. But mentally and skillset wise it's very much man vs boy. Chavez part Deaux sounded like he was dropped on his misshapen mutten chops having head as an infant one too many times at the end of lastnights 24-7.

I'm not so sure it will be all that hostile in Vegas, Sergio will have some fans there too, remember Chavez Jr. is a Mexican not an American who hasn't even bothered to try and speak English, his daddy never bothered to learn English either. Just saying, aside from Latinos, I don't believe Jr. has that big of a fan base here in the U.S.

Sergio is a warrior, consummate professional, and used to fighting in adverse environments, so I don't see that being any advantage for Julio.

For what it's worth, I really believe Jr. has been using PEDs during much of his career, how it hasn't been detected so far is a mystery. Nevada has pretty decent drug testing, it wouldn't surprise me if Jr. hasn't been using PEDs leading up to his fight with Martinez and tests positive for something either before or after the fight. Actually PEDs are the only way Jr. has any chance of winning this fight, without them he'll get clowned badly, and even with them he's in trouble.

And yeah Spicoli, I believe Julio Jr. was a crack baby, who got dropped on his head too many times by his daddy.

I disagree, Mars. I think it will be extremely hostile. There's a huge Mexican fan base in Southern California, Texas, and other states with borders with Mexico.... that will more than gladly fill the Thomas & Mack Center for the fight. Not learning English hasn't seemed to be a hindrance for either of the Chavez's. Imagine....... if Chavez fans are willing to overlook the fact he's been caught cheating on his urine tests..... they're sure not to mind at all that he hasn't bothered to learn English.

But hostile environment or not.... Martinez is the consummate pro. He'll give Junior a thorough schooling.... and hopefully will dump the sneering little coddled baby on his pampered ass.

[Spicoli]

New rule. No posting before that 1st cup of coffee. I totally forgot they had moved this from the Alamo Dome in TX . I certainly don't see the mad house in Vegas that TX would have been as far as rabid rowdy fans but Chavez always carries that feeling of 'entitlement' and has been rewarded for family name before, but a bit more level playing field in NV. yeh. At the end of the day judges are judges though...do we know who the ref is yet?

Mars I don't know what he's using or not using but the kid smells of hiding something after the Rubio fight. He was damn near a Lt hvy that night and still not buying the post fight non testing bs. He just acts soft to me. In fairness I do see some changes for the better in style but he is still a straight line fighter. I hope Martinez doesn't find the hittability upstairs too tempting and get sucked in, expose his body as Quest for Fire jr. will be ripping it. I think Martinez has the skill to keep him on a leash all night and walk him into punches from bookoo angles, but he better keep sliding and stay mobile.

[Mars_ax]

New rule. No posting before that 1st cup of coffee. I totally forgot they had moved this from the Alamo Dome in TX . I certainly don't see the mad house in Vegas that TX would have been as far as rabid rowdy fans but Chavez always carries that feeling of 'entitlement' and has been rewarded for family name before, but a bit more level playing field in NV. yeh. At the end of the day judges are judges though...do we know who the ref is yet?

Mars I don't know what he's using or not using but the kid smells of hiding something after the Rubio fight. He was damn near a Lt hvy that night and still not buying the post fight non testing bs. He just acts soft to me. In fairness I do see some changes for the better in style but he is still a straight line fighter. I hope Martinez doesn't find the hittability upstairs too tempting and get sucked in, expose his body as Quest for Fire jr. will be ripping it. I think Martinez has the skill to keep him on a leash all night and walk him into punches from bookoo angles, but he better keep sliding and stay mobile.

Jr. hasn't faced anyone like Martinez in his career, Sergio will take Julio's ass into deep water and drown him in the later rounds. Another factor that's an advantage for Martinez is he fights "smart", Jr seems about as dumb as a box of rocks. Sergio also knows how to fight hurt, and/or survive a war, something Julio hasn't experienced yet.

[Mars_ax]

I think he can. Physically it's an uphill battle, not to mention he'll be in a massively hostile envroment. The deck is clearly stacked. But mentally and skillset wise it's very much man vs boy. Chavez part Deaux sounded like he was dropped on his misshapen mutten chops having head as an infant one too many times at the end of lastnights 24-7.

I'm not so sure it will be all that hostile in Vegas, Sergio will have some fans there too, remember Chavez Jr. is a Mexican not an American who hasn't even bothered to try and speak English, his daddy never bothered to learn English either. Just saying, aside from Latinos, I don't believe Jr. has that big of a fan base here in the U.S.

Sergio is a warrior, consummate professional, and used to fighting in adverse environments, so I don't see that being any advantage for Julio.

For what it's worth, I really believe Jr. has been using PEDs during much of his career, how it hasn't been detected so far is a mystery. Nevada has pretty decent drug testing, it wouldn't surprise me if Jr. hasn't been using PEDs leading up to his fight with Martinez and tests positive for something either before or after the fight. Actually PEDs are the only way Jr. has any chance of winning this fight, without them he'll get clowned badly, and even with them he's in trouble.

And yeah Spicoli, I believe Julio Jr. was a crack baby, who got dropped on his head too many times by his daddy.

I disagree, Mars. I think it will be extremely hostile. There's a huge Mexican fan base in Southern California, Texas, and other states with borders with Mexico.... that will more than gladly fill the Thomas & Mack Center for the fight. Not learning English hasn't seemed to be a hindrance for either of the Chavez's. Imagine....... if Chavez fans are willing to overlook the fact he's been caught cheating on his urine tests..... they're sure not to mind at all that he hasn't bothered to learn English.

But hostile environment or not.... Martinez is the consummate pro. He'll give Junior a thorough schooling.... and hopefully will dump the sneering little coddled baby on his pampered ass.

@TITO,
There's no doubt that the Thomas & Mack Center will have it's share of cheering, jeering mexican and mex-american fans, I just don't think it's going to be a factor in this fight, if anything it will just give Sergio more motivation. I'd like to believe that Sergio will have some fans in Vegas too, certainly those folks who will be betting on him to win.
The bottom line for me is, I just can't see this 26 year old kid, beating an old pro like Martinez, unless he's been using PEDs or Sergio gets royally fucked on the scorecards.

[IamInuit]

I think he can. Physically it's an uphill battle, not to mention he'll be in a massively hostile envroment. The deck is clearly stacked. But mentally and skillset wise it's very much man vs boy. Chavez part Deaux sounded like he was dropped on his misshapen mutten chops having head as an infant one too many times at the end of lastnights 24-7.

I'm not so sure it will be all that hostile in Vegas, Sergio will have some fans there too, remember Chavez Jr. is a Mexican not an American who hasn't even bothered to try and speak English, his daddy never bothered to learn English either. Just saying, aside from Latinos, I don't believe Jr. has that big of a fan base here in the U.S.

Sergio is a warrior, consummate professional, and used to fighting in adverse environments, so I don't see that being any advantage for Julio.

For what it's worth, I really believe Jr. has been using PEDs during much of his career, how it hasn't been detected so far is a mystery. Nevada has pretty decent drug testing, it wouldn't surprise me if Jr. hasn't been using PEDs leading up to his fight with Martinez and tests positive for something either before or after the fight. Actually PEDs are the only way Jr. has any chance of winning this fight, without them he'll get clowned badly, and even with them he's in trouble.

And yeah Spicoli, I believe Julio Jr. was a crack baby, who got dropped on his head too many times by his daddy.

I disagree, Mars. I think it will be extremely hostile. There's a huge Mexican fan base in Southern California, Texas, and other states with borders with Mexico.... that will more than gladly fill the Thomas & Mack Center for the fight. Not learning English hasn't seemed to be a hindrance for either of the Chavez's. Imagine....... if Chavez fans are willing to overlook the fact he's been caught cheating on his urine tests..... they're sure not to mind at all that he hasn't bothered to learn English.

But hostile environment or not.... Martinez is the consummate pro. He'll give Junior a thorough schooling.... and hopefully will dump the sneering little coddled baby on his pampered ass.

@TITO,
There's no doubt that the Thomas & Mack Center will have it's share of cheering, jeering mexican and mex-american fans, I just don't think it's going to be a factor in this fight, if anything it will just give Sergio more motivation. I'd like to believe that Sergio will have some fans in Vegas too, certainly those folks who will be betting on him to win.
The bottom line for me is, I just can't see this 26 year old kid, beating an old pro like Martinez, unless he's been using PEDs or Sergio gets royally fucked on the scorecards.

Great thread in a thread you 3.Unlike Bute, Sergio wont fold like a nine dollar lawn chair in a hostile crowd and instead will use it. At least its not in Texas.

Weeks gets to call the frolic on the canvas and I have mixed feelings on him.

The judges are Christodoulou,Byrd and Moretti. That causes me to squirm.

[Mars_ax]

I think he can. Physically it's an uphill battle, not to mention he'll be in a massively hostile envroment. The deck is clearly stacked. But mentally and skillset wise it's very much man vs boy. Chavez part Deaux sounded like he was dropped on his misshapen mutten chops having head as an infant one too many times at the end of lastnights 24-7.

I'm not so sure it will be all that hostile in Vegas, Sergio will have some fans there too, remember Chavez Jr. is a Mexican not an American who hasn't even bothered to try and speak English, his daddy never bothered to learn English either. Just saying, aside from Latinos, I don't believe Jr. has that big of a fan base here in the U.S.

Sergio is a warrior, consummate professional, and used to fighting in adverse environments, so I don't see that being any advantage for Julio.

For what it's worth, I really believe Jr. has been using PEDs during much of his career, how it hasn't been detected so far is a mystery. Nevada has pretty decent drug testing, it wouldn't surprise me if Jr. hasn't been using PEDs leading up to his fight with Martinez and tests positive for something either before or after the fight. Actually PEDs are the only way Jr. has any chance of winning this fight, without them he'll get clowned badly, and even with them he's in trouble.

And yeah Spicoli, I believe Julio Jr. was a crack baby, who got dropped on his head too many times by his daddy.

I disagree, Mars. I think it will be extremely hostile. There's a huge Mexican fan base in Southern California, Texas, and other states with borders with Mexico.... that will more than gladly fill the Thomas & Mack Center for the fight. Not learning English hasn't seemed to be a hindrance for either of the Chavez's. Imagine....... if Chavez fans are willing to overlook the fact he's been caught cheating on his urine tests..... they're sure not to mind at all that he hasn't bothered to learn English.

But hostile environment or not.... Martinez is the consummate pro. He'll give Junior a thorough schooling.... and hopefully will dump the sneering little coddled baby on his pampered ass.

@TITO,
There's no doubt that the Thomas & Mack Center will have it's share of cheering, jeering mexican and mex-american fans, I just don't think it's going to be a factor in this fight, if anything it will just give Sergio more motivation. I'd like to believe that Sergio will have some fans in Vegas too, certainly those folks who will be betting on him to win.
The bottom line for me is, I just can't see this 26 year old kid, beating an old pro like Martinez, unless he's been using PEDs or Sergio gets royally fucked on the scorecards.

Great thread in a thread you 3.Unlike Bute, Sergio wont fold like a nine dollar lawn chair in a hostile crowd and instead will use it. At least its not in Texas.

Weeks gets to call the frolic on the canvas and I have mixed feelings on him.

The judges are Christodoulou,Byrd and Moretti. That causes me to squirm.

Weeks is a clown, my main concern with the judges is will they be swayed by Jr's rabid Mex fans and with all the bad decisions the last few years, you never really know for sure who's gonna win.

[IamInuit]

I think he can. Physically it's an uphill battle, not to mention he'll be in a massively hostile envroment. The deck is clearly stacked. But mentally and skillset wise it's very much man vs boy. Chavez part Deaux sounded like he was dropped on his misshapen mutten chops having head as an infant one too many times at the end of lastnights 24-7.

I'm not so sure it will be all that hostile in Vegas, Sergio will have some fans there too, remember Chavez Jr. is a Mexican not an American who hasn't even bothered to try and speak English, his daddy never bothered to learn English either. Just saying, aside from Latinos, I don't believe Jr. has that big of a fan base here in the U.S.

Sergio is a warrior, consummate professional, and used to fighting in adverse environments, so I don't see that being any advantage for Julio.

For what it's worth, I really believe Jr. has been using PEDs during much of his career, how it hasn't been detected so far is a mystery. Nevada has pretty decent drug testing, it wouldn't surprise me if Jr. hasn't been using PEDs leading up to his fight with Martinez and tests positive for something either before or after the fight. Actually PEDs are the only way Jr. has any chance of winning this fight, without them he'll get clowned badly, and even with them he's in trouble.

And yeah Spicoli, I believe Julio Jr. was a crack baby, who got dropped on his head too many times by his daddy.

I disagree, Mars. I think it will be extremely hostile. There's a huge Mexican fan base in Southern California, Texas, and other states with borders with Mexico.... that will more than gladly fill the Thomas & Mack Center for the fight. Not learning English hasn't seemed to be a hindrance for either of the Chavez's. Imagine....... if Chavez fans are willing to overlook the fact he's been caught cheating on his urine tests..... they're sure not to mind at all that he hasn't bothered to learn English.

But hostile environment or not.... Martinez is the consummate pro. He'll give Junior a thorough schooling.... and hopefully will dump the sneering little coddled baby on his pampered ass.

@TITO,
There's no doubt that the Thomas & Mack Center will have it's share of cheering, jeering mexican and mex-american fans, I just don't think it's going to be a factor in this fight, if anything it will just give Sergio more motivation. I'd like to believe that Sergio will have some fans in Vegas too, certainly those folks who will be betting on him to win.
The bottom line for me is, I just can't see this 26 year old kid, beating an old pro like Martinez, unless he's been using PEDs or Sergio gets royally fucked on the scorecards.

Great thread in a thread you 3.Unlike Bute, Sergio wont fold like a nine dollar lawn chair in a hostile crowd and instead will use it. At least its not in Texas.

Weeks gets to call the frolic on the canvas and I have mixed feelings on him.

The judges are Christodoulou,Byrd and Moretti. That causes me to squirm.

Weeks is a clown, my main concern with the judges is will they be swayed by Jr's rabid Mex fans and with all the bad decisions the last few years, you never really know for sure who's gonna win.

Byrd is the worst judge on the planet and once used the angle excuse as a reason for a fk-up. Moretti is questionable and seems 1 of these guys easily influenced.