Team Ward dare Joe Calzaghe to come out of retirement

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I love how it'os turned into a lewis thread lol. I dnt know why ppl r using byrd v wlad as to how lewis would handle byrd! Silly comparison. Wlad is more athletic and moves better than lennox IMO plus he know's how to fight southpaws (He's fought more southpaws than any other HW champ ever!). Holy lost to every Southpaw he ever fought, tyson and lewis never fought one (Not anyone world class anyway) Ali only fought 2, mediocre richard dunn and half decent karl mildenberger (who frustrated the hell out of ali) Ali said mildenberger was his trickiest ever fight (style wise)! Lennox never fought any quick/slick fighters like byrd or haye so u have no idea how he would do against them!

Byrd deserved his shot. And so what if he won a close one over mcline, it wasn't controversial, byrd was schooling him at times, mcline was huge with a massive reach and byrd boxed toe to toe with him (Don't forget mcline had just beaten up michael grant and shannon briggs! And would put peter down 3 times too!) Mcline was touted for big things until he crumbled vs wlad! If lewis could give kirk johnson a shot why not byrd?? Byrd was his mandatory! It's irrelevant that lewis would be fave to beat him.

Heres what happened....Lewis defended his WBC & IBF titles against Mike Tyson 6.8.2002 he then had to defend his title against No1 contender Chris Byrd and refused so was stripped... Lewis then chose to fight the amazing Kirk Johnson in defence of the pitiful IBO belt, Johnson pulled out due to injury so Lewis brought forward his mandatory WBC defence against Vitali Klitschko from December 2003 to June 2003.. u cant act like byrd so far beneath u u dont need to fight him then go beat up Botha lol.

In truth tho Lewis probably just thought im not gonna look good against Byrd.. Emmanuel Stewart told Lewis that Byrd could make him look very bad and that it could harm Lewis standing..so they avoided him, yet think if we only had one governing body with only the one belt

Lewis was a fat shell of himself and he was still dominating! Come on, so lewis is prime ducker now?

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

Lewis was a fat shell of himself and he was still dominating! Come on, so lewis is prime ducker now?

He dropped his belt rather than face his mandatory! What does that tell u? A champ faces his mandatories. I think he avoided sanders too.

Prime Sanders might have ko Lewis. Prime 100% Fully Motivated Corrie Sanders.

Sanders KO Lewis 2
Byrd SD Lewis 12

Sanders vs. Byrd for the true undisputed title and lineage. Book it, baby! Vanilla SouthPaw beat the Chocolate Southpaw is the real question? Sanders has reach and power..but Byrd has slickness? I'm totally torn.

As for fat old lewis u are talking shit! He was 250 for tyson, 256 for VK and 246 for holy. Secondly he was only a year older than wlad is now when he retired and had just put on one of his career defining performances in his superfight with tyson! What the hell was the 235lb version of tyson that lewis fought? He went onto get kayoed by danny williams! Tysons average prime weight was 220lbs! (see bruno fights!) How about a 38 yr old holy? Double standards anyone! Lewis a shot linear champ....go figure!!

If anyone was a shell it was 32 yr old vitali klitschko who had carried numerous injuries through from his kickboxing days and had 11 days notice to fight the linear champ! Secondly vitali weighed 250lbs he regularly scaled at 245lbs so if lewis was 5 lbs overweight so was vitali! Personally i dont think we truly ever saw the best vitali klitschko! I mean he has been plagued with injuries his entire career, most brought about through his pro career in kicboxing as a youth (a much more brutal game than the boxing am's or pro boxing!)

If u want to talk prime lewis then let's talk about when lennox blew it in the 90's against tyson by being blown out in 2 by featherfisted mcall!

[Master]

Lewis unified the belts, he did what he always wanted. The rest was all politics, king controlled fighters. Lewis got paid $1 million for giving the title to Ruiz and a range rover. Is Byrd related to you in some way?

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

Lewis unified the belts, he did what he always wanted. The rest was all politics, king controlled fighters. Lewis got paid $1 million for giving the title to Ruiz and a range rover. Is Byrd related to you in some way?

Do u think byrd deserved his shot?

Byrd UD tua
Byrd UD holy
Byd DRAW golota
Byrd UD phil jackson
Byrd INJURY TKO klitschko (like lewis).
Byrd SD mcline (Had just beaten briggs and grant!)

I think so. Lewis relinquished his belt that is just plain fact. Emmanuel steward knew how good byrd was....

The fact that Byrd boxed an even fight with Golota tells u how good he was! Also note that Byrd did not have the physical advantages Tyson, Bowe, Lewis etc had VS Golota (They were all SHW's like Golota himself) Golota was a chinny mental midget but if u didn't have a punch then the likelihood would be he would beat you! Byrd boxed better against golota than ruiz, grant and bowe did! Ruiz fight was an outright robbery, grant nearly died getting the win and bowe was beaten up twice!

[Master]

Lewis unified the belts, he did what he always wanted. The rest was all politics, king controlled fighters. Lewis got paid $1 million for giving the title to Ruiz and a range rover. Is Byrd related to you in some way?

Do u think byrd deserved his shot?

Byrd UD tua
Byrd UD holy
Byd DRAW golota
Byrd UD phil jackson
Byrd INJURY TKO klitschko (like lewis).
Byrd SD mcline (Had just beaten briggs and grant!)

I think so. Lewis relinquished his belt that is just plain fact. Emmanuel steward knew how good byrd was....

The fact that Byrd boxed an even fight with Golota tells u how good he was! Also note that Byrd did not have the physical advantages Tyson, Bowe, Lewis etc had VS Golota (They were all SHW's like Golota himself) Golota was a chinny mental midget but if u didn't have a punch then the likelihood would be he would beat you! Byrd boxed better against golota than ruiz, grant and bowe did! Ruiz fight was an outright robbery, grant nearly died getting the win and bowe was beaten up twice!

You truly are funny and very selective.

Holyfield was old
Byd DRAW golota very conterversial, Lewis pulversied Golota
Byrd UD phil jackson the same fighter that got stopped by Rudduck for his warm up fight with Lewis?
Byrd INJURY TKO klitschko (like lewis) No! nothing like Lewis,Lewis won!
Byrd SD mcline after getting knocked down. Another close decision.

Truth is Byrd should be thanking Lewis for allowing Byrd to earn some money.

[Althugz]

Lewis unified the belts, he did what he always wanted. The rest was all politics, king controlled fighters. Lewis got paid $1 million for giving the title to Ruiz and a range rover. Is Byrd related to you in some way?

Do u think byrd deserved his shot?

Byrd UD tua
Byrd UD holy
Byd DRAW golota
Byrd UD phil jackson
Byrd INJURY TKO klitschko (like lewis).
Byrd SD mcline (Had just beaten briggs and grant!)

I think so. Lewis relinquished his belt that is just plain fact. Emmanuel steward knew how good byrd was....

The fact that Byrd boxed an even fight with Golota tells u how good he was! Also note that Byrd did not have the physical advantages Tyson, Bowe, Lewis etc had VS Golota (They were all SHW's like Golota himself) Golota was a chinny mental midget but if u didn't have a punch then the likelihood would be he would beat you! Byrd boxed better against golota than ruiz, grant and bowe did! Ruiz fight was an outright robbery, grant nearly died getting the win and bowe was beaten up twice!

You truly are funny and very selective

Glad I'm not the only one that see's this.

[Gandalf]

This thread has gone off topic.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

Lewis unified the belts, he did what he always wanted. The rest was all politics, king controlled fighters. Lewis got paid $1 million for giving the title to Ruiz and a range rover. Is Byrd related to you in some way?

Do u think byrd deserved his shot?

Byrd UD tua
Byrd UD holy
Byd DRAW golota
Byrd UD phil jackson
Byrd INJURY TKO klitschko (like lewis).
Byrd SD mcline (Had just beaten briggs and grant!)

I think so. Lewis relinquished his belt that is just plain fact. Emmanuel steward knew how good byrd was....

The fact that Byrd boxed an even fight with Golota tells u how good he was! Also note that Byrd did not have the physical advantages Tyson, Bowe, Lewis etc had VS Golota (They were all SHW's like Golota himself) Golota was a chinny mental midget but if u didn't have a punch then the likelihood would be he would beat you! Byrd boxed better against golota than ruiz, grant and bowe did! Ruiz fight was an outright robbery, grant nearly died getting the win and bowe was beaten up twice!

You truly are funny and very selective

Glad I'm not the only one that see's this.

Stick to one thread and don't troll around looking for backup because u can't handle me!

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

You truly are funny and very selective.

And right.

Holyfield was old

2 years older than the lewis version (Was the lewis version a young man then? LOL.) Had just beat rahman in an eliminator to fight lewis for a third time! Yeah well past it...and don't cite the ruiz fights! All 3 were very close, and those fights were to do with styles!

Byd DRAW golota very conterversial, Lewis pulversied Golota

Ruiz was very controversial, the byrd fight was pretty even, go watch again! I dealt with the byrd, golota ,lewis thing!

Byrd UD phil jackson the same fighter that got stopped by Rudduck for his warm up fight with Lewis?

What was lewis doing fighting someone who got stopped in his warm up fight? LOL. Supports my argument! I was using jackson as yet a nother common opponent lewis and byrd had, i wasn't debating jackson's ability but i will now seen as u have highlighted it, because it suits my argument better than yours! Jackson fought no-name opposition to set up the fight in 1994 with Lewis! Also note the fight was unimpressive, with Lewis plodding after Jackson en route to an 8th round TKO, byrd toyed with him, scores were: 109-119,109-119,109-119!!

Byrd INJURY TKO klitschko (like lewis) No! nothing like Lewis,Lewis won!

Exactly like lewis, both were being outboxed until vitali came unstuck through injury (internally or externally, doesn't matter, injury stoppage!) Difference was byrd fought a better prepared 244lb version not an 11 days notice 250lb version...

Byrd SD mcline after getting knocked down. Another close decision.

Did better than lewis's #1 challenger michael grant or lineal champ briggs did! Did better than future champ sam peter too! U talk like getting KD by mcline is embarrasing! Mcline put peter down X3, Put briggs down in round 6, hard! Put calvin brock down, Destroyed grant with his first punch lol! Lewis was put down by mcall whats your point?? Are u saying byrd has a bad chin?

U are incapable of grasping byrds gift's as a fighter....Byrd was an expert at making SHW'S and HW'S look bad, a defensive minded fighter is not going to rack up wide point wins over men who have massive reach and height advantages over him! Did u watch the fight? It was a great fight.

It Byrd’s third defense of the IBF title. Fights between former sparring partners often turn into lackluster affairs, but that was not the case in this one. The bigger McCline sought to impose his physical size and strength on Byrd early, and it paid off. McCline dropped Byrd with a big punch in the second and it almost appeared as if there was an upset in the making. It was an uphill battle for Byrd, but he showed tremendous heart and battled his way back into the contest. The slicker, quicker Byrd began really finding his rhythm as McCline grew sluggish in the later rounds.

Truth is Byrd should be thanking Lewis for allowing Byrd to earn some money.

Lewis should be thanking emmanuel for steering him away from these southpaws!

I note u missed out tua though! Did u know that tua was 233lbs for byrd and 245 for lewis?? Bet u didn't! How many ppl had beaten tua other than lewis? Byrd v lewis was a natural....u know it and i know it! Plus it would have been an interseting style clash! Lewis ran from tua in a snoozy, jab jab contest, 6'1 215lb byrd went toe to toe with him and made him look inept in a defensive masterclass! That fight alone proved byrd's pedigree...and that fight alone (hence u dont want to talk about it!) proved byrd could cut the mustard so to speak!!

Lewis defeats jackson a year later byrd does the same, still no fight! Lewis defeats tua, a year after byrd does the same, still no fight! Lewis defeats holyfield, 2 years later byrd does the same, still no fight! Im sensing a pattern hear....You see

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Lewis was a fat shell of himself and he was still dominating! Come on, so lewis is prime ducker now?

He dropped his belt rather than face his mandatory! What does that tell u? A champ faces his mandatories. I think he avoided sanders too.

Prime Sanders might have ko Lewis. Prime 100% Fully Motivated Corrie Sanders.

Sanders KO Lewis 2
Byrd SD Lewis 12

Sanders vs. Byrd for the true undisputed title and lineage. Book it, baby! Vanilla SouthPaw beat the Chocolate Southpaw is the real question? Sanders has reach and power..but Byrd has slickness? I'm totally torn.

As for fat old lewis u are talking shit! He was 250 for tyson, 256 for VK and 246 for holy. Secondly he was only a year older than wlad is now when he retired and had just put on one of his career defining performances in his superfight with tyson! What the hell was the 235lb version of tyson that lewis fought? He went onto get kayoed by danny williams! Tysons average prime weight was 220lbs! (see bruno fights!) How about a 38 yr old holy? Double standards anyone! Lewis a shot linear champ....go figure!!

If anyone was a shell it was 32 yr old vitali klitschko who had carried numerous injuries through from his kickboxing days and had 11 days notice to fight the linear champ! Secondly vitali weighed 250lbs he regularly scaled at 245lbs so if lewis was 5 lbs overweight so was vitali! Personally i dont think we truly ever saw the best vitali klitschko! I mean he has been plagued with injuries his entire career, most brought about through his pro career in kicboxing as a youth (a much more brutal game than the boxing am's or pro boxing!)

If u want to talk prime lewis then let's talk about when lennox blew it in the 90's against tyson by being blown out in 2 by featherfisted mcall!

So let me get this right just so i have an idea..your top pound for pound list goes something like this...

1. Joe calzaghe
2. Vitali klits
3. Vlad klits
4. Etc

Please confirm this. Everyones entitled to there opinion and view.
All three of these fighters would have been tough in any era..but

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

So let me get this right just so i have an idea..your top pound for pound list goes something like this...

1. Joe calzaghe
2. Vitali klits
3. Vlad Please confirm this.klits
4. Etc

P4P in what sense? It's hard to rate HW's in a P4P sense? My two greatest p4p Hw's ever are marciano and holyfield! Calzaghe is retired but at his best i had him top 3 P4P in the world! My top 5 p4p now are Manny, Money, Martinez, Ward and Adamek.