Team Ward dare Joe Calzaghe to come out of retirement

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

Lewis unified the belts, he did what he always wanted. The rest was all politics, king controlled fighters. Lewis got paid $1 million for giving the title to Ruiz and a range rover. Is Byrd related to you in some way?

Do u think byrd deserved his shot?

Byrd UD tua
Byrd UD holy
Byd DRAW golota
Byrd UD phil jackson
Byrd INJURY TKO klitschko (like lewis).
Byrd SD mcline (Had just beaten briggs and grant!)

I think so. Lewis relinquished his belt that is just plain fact. Emmanuel steward knew how good byrd was....

The fact that Byrd boxed an even fight with Golota tells u how good he was! Also note that Byrd did not have the physical advantages Tyson, Bowe, Lewis etc had VS Golota (They were all SHW's like Golota himself) Golota was a chinny mental midget but if u didn't have a punch then the likelihood would be he would beat you! Byrd boxed better against golota than ruiz, grant and bowe did! Ruiz fight was an outright robbery, grant nearly died getting the win and bowe was beaten up twice!

[Master]

Lewis unified the belts, he did what he always wanted. The rest was all politics, king controlled fighters. Lewis got paid $1 million for giving the title to Ruiz and a range rover. Is Byrd related to you in some way?

Do u think byrd deserved his shot?

Byrd UD tua
Byrd UD holy
Byd DRAW golota
Byrd UD phil jackson
Byrd INJURY TKO klitschko (like lewis).
Byrd SD mcline (Had just beaten briggs and grant!)

I think so. Lewis relinquished his belt that is just plain fact. Emmanuel steward knew how good byrd was....

The fact that Byrd boxed an even fight with Golota tells u how good he was! Also note that Byrd did not have the physical advantages Tyson, Bowe, Lewis etc had VS Golota (They were all SHW's like Golota himself) Golota was a chinny mental midget but if u didn't have a punch then the likelihood would be he would beat you! Byrd boxed better against golota than ruiz, grant and bowe did! Ruiz fight was an outright robbery, grant nearly died getting the win and bowe was beaten up twice!

You truly are funny and very selective.

Holyfield was old
Byd DRAW golota very conterversial, Lewis pulversied Golota
Byrd UD phil jackson the same fighter that got stopped by Rudduck for his warm up fight with Lewis?
Byrd INJURY TKO klitschko (like lewis) No! nothing like Lewis,Lewis won!
Byrd SD mcline after getting knocked down. Another close decision.

Truth is Byrd should be thanking Lewis for allowing Byrd to earn some money.

[Althugz]

Lewis unified the belts, he did what he always wanted. The rest was all politics, king controlled fighters. Lewis got paid $1 million for giving the title to Ruiz and a range rover. Is Byrd related to you in some way?

Do u think byrd deserved his shot?

Byrd UD tua
Byrd UD holy
Byd DRAW golota
Byrd UD phil jackson
Byrd INJURY TKO klitschko (like lewis).
Byrd SD mcline (Had just beaten briggs and grant!)

I think so. Lewis relinquished his belt that is just plain fact. Emmanuel steward knew how good byrd was....

The fact that Byrd boxed an even fight with Golota tells u how good he was! Also note that Byrd did not have the physical advantages Tyson, Bowe, Lewis etc had VS Golota (They were all SHW's like Golota himself) Golota was a chinny mental midget but if u didn't have a punch then the likelihood would be he would beat you! Byrd boxed better against golota than ruiz, grant and bowe did! Ruiz fight was an outright robbery, grant nearly died getting the win and bowe was beaten up twice!

You truly are funny and very selective

Glad I'm not the only one that see's this.

[Gandalf]

This thread has gone off topic.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

Lewis unified the belts, he did what he always wanted. The rest was all politics, king controlled fighters. Lewis got paid $1 million for giving the title to Ruiz and a range rover. Is Byrd related to you in some way?

Do u think byrd deserved his shot?

Byrd UD tua
Byrd UD holy
Byd DRAW golota
Byrd UD phil jackson
Byrd INJURY TKO klitschko (like lewis).
Byrd SD mcline (Had just beaten briggs and grant!)

I think so. Lewis relinquished his belt that is just plain fact. Emmanuel steward knew how good byrd was....

The fact that Byrd boxed an even fight with Golota tells u how good he was! Also note that Byrd did not have the physical advantages Tyson, Bowe, Lewis etc had VS Golota (They were all SHW's like Golota himself) Golota was a chinny mental midget but if u didn't have a punch then the likelihood would be he would beat you! Byrd boxed better against golota than ruiz, grant and bowe did! Ruiz fight was an outright robbery, grant nearly died getting the win and bowe was beaten up twice!

You truly are funny and very selective

Glad I'm not the only one that see's this.

Stick to one thread and don't troll around looking for backup because u can't handle me!

[Master]

Philospoher are you seriously saying that Byrd would have beaten Lennox Lewis? You crazy.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

Philospoher are you seriously saying that Byrd would have beaten Lennox Lewis? You crazy.

I think the possibility of an awkward fight for lennox was in the making yes! As for would he beat him....well byrd had much more experiernce against SHW's than lewis did vs southpaws (especially slick ones!) Emmanuel Stewart told Lewis not to fight Byrd, what does that tell you??

Lewis had never faced anything like chris bryd! If your entire assumption is that byrd couldn't beat lewis because he couldn't crack an egg then u are obviously not well versed on the sweet science! Speed & skills win fights and Lewis was relatively sluggish in comparison to smaller HW's! I can easily see byrd stealing the round's....

I have started watching more old fights of bryd again in his prime, he was so skillfull! Like a throwback to the charley burley and joe walcot era

Ask yourself which were he harder fights for lewis Grant & Botha or Byrd & Sanders! Zeljko Mavrovic & akinwande or Sanders & byrd! Briggs & Grant or Sanders & byrd! See.....

[ICB]

Philospoher are you seriously saying that Byrd would have beaten Lennox Lewis? You crazy.

Exactly but its pointless debating it thats why i don't waste my time, the fact is despite all these names and fights being thrown around the only one that matters to me. Is that Wladimir Klitschko fights like Lennox Lewis and has the same attributes but isn't quite as Lennox Lewis, yet he destroyed Chris Byrd twice with ease which is exactly what Lennox Lewis would of done end of.

Im still wondering how this got turned into Lennox Lewis ducking Chris Byrd, lets keep it on topic.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

Is that Wladimir Klitschko fights like Lennox Lewis and has the same attributes but isn't quite as Lennox Lewis

Wlad fights nothing like him u lemon. And no you're right he's not quite 'as lennox'....Wlad is a far better athlete!

he destroyed Chris Byrd twice with ease which is exactly what Lennox Lewis would of done end of.

U keep telling yourself that....So u are saying because wlad beat him, lewis would have! U are suggesting lewis would at least match what wlad has done?

Even though wlad toyed with rahman (used him as a sparring partner almost, just to get some rounds under his belt! and then finished him with mere clipping shots lol...) Beat up mercer and jackson with consumate ease!! Lewis had a torrid time with mercer, went 1-1 with rahman and lumbered to a horrible 8th round TKO over jackson! Try comparing what lewis and byrd did to holy, jackson and tua rather than what wlad has done to byrd....

If u don't rate my opinion then go ask manny steward his thoughts on klitschko and byrd!

Anyway il let it go, it is after all a ward calzaghe thread. Just thought id make my point.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

You truly are funny and very selective.

And right.

Holyfield was old

2 years older than the lewis version (Was the lewis version a young man then? LOL.) Had just beat rahman in an eliminator to fight lewis for a third time! Yeah well past it...and don't cite the ruiz fights! All 3 were very close, and those fights were to do with styles!

Byd DRAW golota very conterversial, Lewis pulversied Golota

Ruiz was very controversial, the byrd fight was pretty even, go watch again! I dealt with the byrd, golota ,lewis thing!

Byrd UD phil jackson the same fighter that got stopped by Rudduck for his warm up fight with Lewis?

What was lewis doing fighting someone who got stopped in his warm up fight? LOL. Supports my argument! I was using jackson as yet a nother common opponent lewis and byrd had, i wasn't debating jackson's ability but i will now seen as u have highlighted it, because it suits my argument better than yours! Jackson fought no-name opposition to set up the fight in 1994 with Lewis! Also note the fight was unimpressive, with Lewis plodding after Jackson en route to an 8th round TKO, byrd toyed with him, scores were: 109-119,109-119,109-119!!

Byrd INJURY TKO klitschko (like lewis) No! nothing like Lewis,Lewis won!

Exactly like lewis, both were being outboxed until vitali came unstuck through injury (internally or externally, doesn't matter, injury stoppage!) Difference was byrd fought a better prepared 244lb version not an 11 days notice 250lb version...

Byrd SD mcline after getting knocked down. Another close decision.

Did better than lewis's #1 challenger michael grant or lineal champ briggs did! Did better than future champ sam peter too! U talk like getting KD by mcline is embarrasing! Mcline put peter down X3, Put briggs down in round 6, hard! Put calvin brock down, Destroyed grant with his first punch lol! Lewis was put down by mcall whats your point?? Are u saying byrd has a bad chin?

U are incapable of grasping byrds gift's as a fighter....Byrd was an expert at making SHW'S and HW'S look bad, a defensive minded fighter is not going to rack up wide point wins over men who have massive reach and height advantages over him! Did u watch the fight? It was a great fight.

It Byrd’s third defense of the IBF title. Fights between former sparring partners often turn into lackluster affairs, but that was not the case in this one. The bigger McCline sought to impose his physical size and strength on Byrd early, and it paid off. McCline dropped Byrd with a big punch in the second and it almost appeared as if there was an upset in the making. It was an uphill battle for Byrd, but he showed tremendous heart and battled his way back into the contest. The slicker, quicker Byrd began really finding his rhythm as McCline grew sluggish in the later rounds.

Truth is Byrd should be thanking Lewis for allowing Byrd to earn some money.

Lewis should be thanking emmanuel for steering him away from these southpaws!

I note u missed out tua though! Did u know that tua was 233lbs for byrd and 245 for lewis?? Bet u didn't! How many ppl had beaten tua other than lewis? Byrd v lewis was a natural....u know it and i know it! Plus it would have been an interseting style clash! Lewis ran from tua in a snoozy, jab jab contest, 6'1 215lb byrd went toe to toe with him and made him look inept in a defensive masterclass! That fight alone proved byrd's pedigree...and that fight alone (hence u dont want to talk about it!) proved byrd could cut the mustard so to speak!!

Lewis defeats jackson a year later byrd does the same, still no fight! Lewis defeats tua, a year after byrd does the same, still no fight! Lewis defeats holyfield, 2 years later byrd does the same, still no fight! Im sensing a pattern hear....You see