So Jr Chavez has tested positive for...

[Mars_ax]

Not only did Junior smoke weed, he Bogarts the joint.

[Gandalf]

So that is why he fought like a spaced out zombie for most of the fight?

[CutMeMick]

So let me get this straight this kid thought he could;

1. Train whenever the fuck he wanted
2. Sleep until 8 o' clock at night
3. Wake up in the middle of the night and train in his living
4. Go to a BBQ in with friends and suddenly start training there like some fucken sideshow
5. Not listen to his trainer

and beat "Maravilla" one of the top 3/4 pound for pound boxers in the world. HA!
Fucken comical

Now wonder this idiot was waking up at 8 pm walking around with the munchies eating a bowl of Coco Puffs in his fucken hot pink underwear and fucken JCC Sr. trying to give him pointers while Jr. is like "Your fucking up my high pops. Leave the fuck alone"

[Althugz]

Thing that gets me most angry is this idiot made twice as much as Sergio trading on his last name when his heart isn't even in the sport. Must make some top boxers real mad..

[Kirkland Laing]

It's going to make Martinez angry. That's the rematch down the pan. After his suspension it's unlikely JCC ever sees 160 again. What a tit.

[Majesty]

Freddie also isn't as hands on over the years. Remember the discipline he and respect he made James Toney have for him and his system if he was gonna be at that camp, he actually got in Toney's face a few times.

This is not the same Freddie Roach that trained James Toney, if it was, there is NO WAY Chavez would have gotten away with what he's gotten away with, nor would Freddie take him on as a trainer. It seems the lee-way he gives to Pacquiao is now sort of standard with his other core fighters, that needs to stop. He seems to have lost that edge that made him a great trainer, his fighters walk all over him and he allows it and keeps a smile on his face. The Freddie that trained James Toney would have been at their house at 6 am and kick them out of bed to go train. But this one sort of let's them come and go as they please and picks up the paycheck for training them. Freddie needs to get out of the game if he is no longer gonna fight for a fighter's respect, or at least kick them out of his gym if they go about it like Chavez did or he'll have more young fighters disgracing his gym.

[Gandalf]

Freddie also isn't as hands on over the years. Remember the discipline he and respect he made James Toney have for him and his system if he was gonna be at that camp, he actually got in Toney's face a few times.

This is not the same Freddie Roach that trained James Toney, if it was, there is NO WAY Chavez would have gotten away with what he's gotten away with, nor would Freddie take him on as a trainer. It seems the lee-way he gives to Pacquiao is now sort of standard with his other core fighters, that needs to stop. He seems to have lost that edge that made him a great trainer, his fighters walk all over him and he allows it and keeps a smile on his face. The Freddie that trained James Toney would have been at their house at 6 am and kick them out of bed to go train. But this one sort of let's them come and go as they please and picks up the paycheck for training them. Freddie needs to get out of the game if he is no longer gonna fight for a fighter's respect, or at least kick them out of his gym if they go about it like Chavez did or he'll have more young fighters disgracing his gym.

Roach is old and clearly getting very sick. He has likely now made good money and needs to take his rest. Associating with the like of Chavez Jnr is just sad. His impact in the Pac camp is now just marginal too.

I don't see any other reason other than the money now.

[Kirkland Laing]

Freddie also isn't as hands on over the years. Remember the discipline he and respect he made James Toney have for him and his system if he was gonna be at that camp, he actually got in Toney's face a few times.

This is not the same Freddie Roach that trained James Toney, if it was, there is NO WAY Chavez would have gotten away with what he's gotten away with, nor would Freddie take him on as a trainer. It seems the lee-way he gives to Pacquiao is now sort of standard with his other core fighters, that needs to stop. He seems to have lost that edge that made him a great trainer, his fighters walk all over him and he allows it and keeps a smile on his face. The Freddie that trained James Toney would have been at their house at 6 am and kick them out of bed to go train. But this one sort of let's them come and go as they please and picks up the paycheck for training them. Freddie needs to get out of the game if he is no longer gonna fight for a fighter's respect, or at least kick them out of his gym if they go about it like Chavez did or he'll have more young fighters disgracing his gym.

You can't blame the guy, he's got Parkinson's. He's going to spend the rest of his life paying increasing amounts of dough for medical care so he needs to make as much as he can while he can. Chavez may be a tit but made three million basic for the Martinez fight plus a chunk of the PPV which grossed around thirty million. So that's maybe a six million dollar purse and Freddie gets 10% of it. Who else that he could train is going to make him that kind of money?


Also, too. There are all the test results for steroids/masking agents/diuretics still to come. Anybody think he tests positive for anything else? We should have a sweepstake.

[CutMeMick]

Freddie also isn't as hands on over the years. Remember the discipline he and respect he made James Toney have for him and his system if he was gonna be at that camp, he actually got in Toney's face a few times.

This is not the same Freddie Roach that trained James Toney, if it was, there is NO WAY Chavez would have gotten away with what he's gotten away with, nor would Freddie take him on as a trainer. It seems the lee-way he gives to Pacquiao is now sort of standard with his other core fighters, that needs to stop. He seems to have lost that edge that made him a great trainer, his fighters walk all over him and he allows it and keeps a smile on his face. The Freddie that trained James Toney would have been at their house at 6 am and kick them out of bed to go train. But this one sort of let's them come and go as they please and picks up the paycheck for training them. Freddie needs to get out of the game if he is no longer gonna fight for a fighter's respect, or at least kick them out of his gym if they go about it like Chavez did or he'll have more young fighters disgracing his gym.

Sorry but NO...

It's not Freddy. I've been around the Wild Card Gym for close to 10 yrs and it's not him.
What you see on TV vs. What really happens can be 2 different worlds apart.

[Spicoli]

Freddie also isn't as hands on over the years. Remember the discipline he and respect he made James Toney have for him and his system if he was gonna be at that camp, he actually got in Toney's face a few times.

This is not the same Freddie Roach that trained James Toney, if it was, there is NO WAY Chavez would have gotten away with what he's gotten away with, nor would Freddie take him on as a trainer. It seems the lee-way he gives to Pacquiao is now sort of standard with his other core fighters, that needs to stop. He seems to have lost that edge that made him a great trainer, his fighters walk all over him and he allows it and keeps a smile on his face. The Freddie that trained James Toney would have been at their house at 6 am and kick them out of bed to go train. But this one sort of let's them come and go as they please and picks up the paycheck for training them. Freddie needs to get out of the game if he is no longer gonna fight for a fighter's respect, or at least kick them out of his gym if they go about it like Chavez did or he'll have more young fighters disgracing his gym.

Brother I was waiting for you to start blaming Roach for rolling his joints too tight next. Chavez is a grown man. The quicker he relizes it for himself and handlers, people stop making excuses for him the quicker he'll improve. Maybe.

Saying goes you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink...in this case Chavez wouldn't even lead himself to the gym in the first place. In the bigger picture though, yeh...Roach should fire Jr.

[brocktonblockbust]

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