So Jr Chavez has tested positive for...

[Kirkland Laing]

It's going to make Martinez angry. That's the rematch down the pan. After his suspension it's unlikely JCC ever sees 160 again. What a tit.

[Majesty]

Freddie also isn't as hands on over the years. Remember the discipline he and respect he made James Toney have for him and his system if he was gonna be at that camp, he actually got in Toney's face a few times.

This is not the same Freddie Roach that trained James Toney, if it was, there is NO WAY Chavez would have gotten away with what he's gotten away with, nor would Freddie take him on as a trainer. It seems the lee-way he gives to Pacquiao is now sort of standard with his other core fighters, that needs to stop. He seems to have lost that edge that made him a great trainer, his fighters walk all over him and he allows it and keeps a smile on his face. The Freddie that trained James Toney would have been at their house at 6 am and kick them out of bed to go train. But this one sort of let's them come and go as they please and picks up the paycheck for training them. Freddie needs to get out of the game if he is no longer gonna fight for a fighter's respect, or at least kick them out of his gym if they go about it like Chavez did or he'll have more young fighters disgracing his gym.

[Gandalf]

Freddie also isn't as hands on over the years. Remember the discipline he and respect he made James Toney have for him and his system if he was gonna be at that camp, he actually got in Toney's face a few times.

This is not the same Freddie Roach that trained James Toney, if it was, there is NO WAY Chavez would have gotten away with what he's gotten away with, nor would Freddie take him on as a trainer. It seems the lee-way he gives to Pacquiao is now sort of standard with his other core fighters, that needs to stop. He seems to have lost that edge that made him a great trainer, his fighters walk all over him and he allows it and keeps a smile on his face. The Freddie that trained James Toney would have been at their house at 6 am and kick them out of bed to go train. But this one sort of let's them come and go as they please and picks up the paycheck for training them. Freddie needs to get out of the game if he is no longer gonna fight for a fighter's respect, or at least kick them out of his gym if they go about it like Chavez did or he'll have more young fighters disgracing his gym.

Roach is old and clearly getting very sick. He has likely now made good money and needs to take his rest. Associating with the like of Chavez Jnr is just sad. His impact in the Pac camp is now just marginal too.

I don't see any other reason other than the money now.

[Kirkland Laing]

Freddie also isn't as hands on over the years. Remember the discipline he and respect he made James Toney have for him and his system if he was gonna be at that camp, he actually got in Toney's face a few times.

This is not the same Freddie Roach that trained James Toney, if it was, there is NO WAY Chavez would have gotten away with what he's gotten away with, nor would Freddie take him on as a trainer. It seems the lee-way he gives to Pacquiao is now sort of standard with his other core fighters, that needs to stop. He seems to have lost that edge that made him a great trainer, his fighters walk all over him and he allows it and keeps a smile on his face. The Freddie that trained James Toney would have been at their house at 6 am and kick them out of bed to go train. But this one sort of let's them come and go as they please and picks up the paycheck for training them. Freddie needs to get out of the game if he is no longer gonna fight for a fighter's respect, or at least kick them out of his gym if they go about it like Chavez did or he'll have more young fighters disgracing his gym.

You can't blame the guy, he's got Parkinson's. He's going to spend the rest of his life paying increasing amounts of dough for medical care so he needs to make as much as he can while he can. Chavez may be a tit but made three million basic for the Martinez fight plus a chunk of the PPV which grossed around thirty million. So that's maybe a six million dollar purse and Freddie gets 10% of it. Who else that he could train is going to make him that kind of money?


Also, too. There are all the test results for steroids/masking agents/diuretics still to come. Anybody think he tests positive for anything else? We should have a sweepstake.

[TitoFan]

Ok, so I saw it myself on SportsCenter this morning. The Nevada Athletic Commission could fine Junior up to his $3M purse, suspend him for a year, and even revoke his license. I only have one question:



Have they not met Jose Sulaiman and his cartel?



To think Sulaiman is going to sit idly by and watch the NAC fine and suspend his godson, is to not have a grasp on reality.

[Kirkland Laing]

Ok, so I saw it myself on SportsCenter this morning. The Nevada Athletic Commission could fine Junior up to his $3M purse, suspend him for a year, and even revoke his license. I only have one question:



Have they not met Jose Sulaiman and his cartel?



To think Sulaiman is going to sit idly by and watch the NAC fine and suspend his godson, is to not have a grasp on reality.

The purse is lodged with the NSAC before the fight. I'm guessing they'll fine the fuck out of Junior but release enough of it so that at least his team all get paid. Junior will probably get a big chunk too and probably all the PPV money he's due. The WBC get their sanctioning fee paid separately, can't see how they're going to tell Nevada what to do.

[TitoFan]

Ok, so I saw it myself on SportsCenter this morning. The Nevada Athletic Commission could fine Junior up to his $3M purse, suspend him for a year, and even revoke his license. I only have one question:



Have they not met Jose Sulaiman and his cartel?



To think Sulaiman is going to sit idly by and watch the NAC fine and suspend his godson, is to not have a grasp on reality.

The purse is lodged with the NSAC before the fight. I'm guessing they'll fine the fuck out of Junior but release enough of it so that at least his team all get paid. Junior will probably get a big chunk too and probably all the PPV money he's due. The WBC get their sanctioning fee paid separately, can't see how they're going to tell Nevada what to do.

I know you're right.... I just couldn't resist taking another shot at Sulaiman, who I despise more than any person in sports. The thought of the NAC meting out punishment to Junior, and having Sulaiman sitting helplessly on the sidelines should be enough give the old man an ulcer. I'm getting misty-eyed just thinking about it.

[CutMeMick]

Freddie also isn't as hands on over the years. Remember the discipline he and respect he made James Toney have for him and his system if he was gonna be at that camp, he actually got in Toney's face a few times.

This is not the same Freddie Roach that trained James Toney, if it was, there is NO WAY Chavez would have gotten away with what he's gotten away with, nor would Freddie take him on as a trainer. It seems the lee-way he gives to Pacquiao is now sort of standard with his other core fighters, that needs to stop. He seems to have lost that edge that made him a great trainer, his fighters walk all over him and he allows it and keeps a smile on his face. The Freddie that trained James Toney would have been at their house at 6 am and kick them out of bed to go train. But this one sort of let's them come and go as they please and picks up the paycheck for training them. Freddie needs to get out of the game if he is no longer gonna fight for a fighter's respect, or at least kick them out of his gym if they go about it like Chavez did or he'll have more young fighters disgracing his gym.

Sorry but NO...

It's not Freddy. I've been around the Wild Card Gym for close to 10 yrs and it's not him.
What you see on TV vs. What really happens can be 2 different worlds apart.

[TitoFan]

Freddie also isn't as hands on over the years. Remember the discipline he and respect he made James Toney have for him and his system if he was gonna be at that camp, he actually got in Toney's face a few times.

This is not the same Freddie Roach that trained James Toney, if it was, there is NO WAY Chavez would have gotten away with what he's gotten away with, nor would Freddie take him on as a trainer. It seems the lee-way he gives to Pacquiao is now sort of standard with his other core fighters, that needs to stop. He seems to have lost that edge that made him a great trainer, his fighters walk all over him and he allows it and keeps a smile on his face. The Freddie that trained James Toney would have been at their house at 6 am and kick them out of bed to go train. But this one sort of let's them come and go as they please and picks up the paycheck for training them. Freddie needs to get out of the game if he is no longer gonna fight for a fighter's respect, or at least kick them out of his gym if they go about it like Chavez did or he'll have more young fighters disgracing his gym.

Sorry but NO...

It's not Freddy. I've been around the Wild Card Gym for close to 10 yrs and it's not him.
What you see on TV vs. What really happens can be 2 different worlds apart.

Freddie Roach is a boxing trainer, not a babysitter.
Enough said.

[Spicoli]

Freddie also isn't as hands on over the years. Remember the discipline he and respect he made James Toney have for him and his system if he was gonna be at that camp, he actually got in Toney's face a few times.

This is not the same Freddie Roach that trained James Toney, if it was, there is NO WAY Chavez would have gotten away with what he's gotten away with, nor would Freddie take him on as a trainer. It seems the lee-way he gives to Pacquiao is now sort of standard with his other core fighters, that needs to stop. He seems to have lost that edge that made him a great trainer, his fighters walk all over him and he allows it and keeps a smile on his face. The Freddie that trained James Toney would have been at their house at 6 am and kick them out of bed to go train. But this one sort of let's them come and go as they please and picks up the paycheck for training them. Freddie needs to get out of the game if he is no longer gonna fight for a fighter's respect, or at least kick them out of his gym if they go about it like Chavez did or he'll have more young fighters disgracing his gym.

Brother I was waiting for you to start blaming Roach for rolling his joints too tight next. Chavez is a grown man. The quicker he relizes it for himself and handlers, people stop making excuses for him the quicker he'll improve. Maybe.

Saying goes you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink...in this case Chavez wouldn't even lead himself to the gym in the first place. In the bigger picture though, yeh...Roach should fire Jr.

[Majesty]

Freddie also isn't as hands on over the years. Remember the discipline he and respect he made James Toney have for him and his system if he was gonna be at that camp, he actually got in Toney's face a few times.

This is not the same Freddie Roach that trained James Toney, if it was, there is NO WAY Chavez would have gotten away with what he's gotten away with, nor would Freddie take him on as a trainer. It seems the lee-way he gives to Pacquiao is now sort of standard with his other core fighters, that needs to stop. He seems to have lost that edge that made him a great trainer, his fighters walk all over him and he allows it and keeps a smile on his face. The Freddie that trained James Toney would have been at their house at 6 am and kick them out of bed to go train. But this one sort of let's them come and go as they please and picks up the paycheck for training them. Freddie needs to get out of the game if he is no longer gonna fight for a fighter's respect, or at least kick them out of his gym if they go about it like Chavez did or he'll have more young fighters disgracing his gym.

Brother I was waiting for you to start blaming Roach for rolling his joints too tight next. Chavez is a grown man. The quicker he relizes it for himself and handlers, people stop making excuses for him the quicker he'll improve. Maybe.

Saying goes you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink...in this case Chavez wouldn't even lead himself to the gym in the first place. In the bigger picture though, yeh...Roach should fire Jr.

yeah but at the same time Freddie doesn't have to take that from Chavez either. Freddie has the right to train any fighter he wants to and to stop training any fighter he wants to. When he trains the likes of Pacquiao who's already gonna draw huge and make a boatload of money for him, he doesn't need a guy like Chavez who hasn't really accomplished anything close and isn't taking the sport seriously in his camp.

Freddie should have let Chavez go the moment he started disrespecting him and his gym. Chavez may be a grown man, and Freddie may not be a babysitter, but Freddie could always say "If you keep disrespecting me and my gym, I'm not going to train you and you can get the hell out." But he didn't, and now this happens. Chavez Jr is not going to bring Freddie any glory and is not going to draw like Pacquiao if he keeps shooting himself in the foot and won't ever regain a world championship either. The dude has the biggest fight of his life with national attention on him and he parties, wakes up at 8 pm and smokes weed. This isn't a guy that's gonna be a world champion again anytime soon nor have the mentality to hold on to one if he got it and he really doesn't need to, he's headlining national TV, he has a fan base, millions will watch him and he never has to win another championship again. If anything that will make him even less inclined to train hard if he just has to "show up" now. Which is a shame because he actually HAS talent, but he thinks he's entitled to things he's yet to earn. Actually.. no fighter earns the right to barely train, wake up at 8 pm, work out in their living room and smoke weed before the biggest fight of their lives. Not until retirement...

And It's saddening to see a coach like Freddie who is one of the most respected have to put up with that. I agree 100% with what you said that Freddie should fire Chavez Jr, and truth is he should have done that a long time ago, because if Chavez doesn't get it by now and keeps getting disciplined over and over again and keeps continuing to break rules there's no hope for him. How many times has he been busted for something or done something stupid, and yet he still does these things. Freddie shouldn't waste his time.

Sad thing is, despite losing every round but the last against Sergio. Because of him testing positive for weed added on top of that. Casual fans are gonna say he deserves a rematch because he nearly knocked him out when high and if sobered up he'd knock him out for sure. Completely ignoring the previous 11 rounds.

It really doesn't bother me too much, Canelo is gonna surpass him in popularity soon enough if he already hasn't and Chavez will be in the what could have been category. But as far as Freddie goes he needs to let go of this kid as fast as possible, if there was a last straw, this was it.

[Mars_ax]

Freddie also isn't as hands on over the years. Remember the discipline he and respect he made James Toney have for him and his system if he was gonna be at that camp, he actually got in Toney's face a few times.

This is not the same Freddie Roach that trained James Toney, if it was, there is NO WAY Chavez would have gotten away with what he's gotten away with, nor would Freddie take him on as a trainer. It seems the lee-way he gives to Pacquiao is now sort of standard with his other core fighters, that needs to stop. He seems to have lost that edge that made him a great trainer, his fighters walk all over him and he allows it and keeps a smile on his face. The Freddie that trained James Toney would have been at their house at 6 am and kick them out of bed to go train. But this one sort of let's them come and go as they please and picks up the paycheck for training them. Freddie needs to get out of the game if he is no longer gonna fight for a fighter's respect, or at least kick them out of his gym if they go about it like Chavez did or he'll have more young fighters disgracing his gym.

Brother I was waiting for you to start blaming Roach for rolling his joints too tight next. Chavez is a grown man. The quicker he relizes it for himself and handlers, people stop making excuses for him the quicker he'll improve. Maybe.

Saying goes you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink...in this case Chavez wouldn't even lead himself to the gym in the first place. In the bigger picture though, yeh...Roach should fire Jr.

yeah but at the same time Freddie doesn't have to take that from Chavez either. Freddie has the right to train any fighter he wants to and to stop training any fighter he wants to. When he trains the likes of Pacquiao who's already gonna draw huge and make a boatload of money for him, he doesn't need a guy like Chavez who hasn't really accomplished anything close and isn't taking the sport seriously in his camp.

Freddie should have let Chavez go the moment he started disrespecting him and his gym. Chavez may be a grown man, and Freddie may not be a babysitter, but Freddie could always say "If you keep disrespecting me and my gym, I'm not going to train you and you can get the hell out." But he didn't, and now this happens. Chavez Jr is not going to bring Freddie any glory and is not going to draw like Pacquiao if he keeps shooting himself in the foot and won't ever regain a world championship either. The dude has the biggest fight of his life with national attention on him and he parties, wakes up at 8 pm and smokes weed. This isn't a guy that's gonna be a world champion again anytime soon nor have the mentality to hold on to one if he got it and he really doesn't need to, he's headlining national TV, he has a fan base, millions will watch him and he never has to win another championship again. If anything that will make him even less inclined to train hard if he just has to "show up" now. Which is a shame because he actually HAS talent, but he thinks he's entitled to things he's yet to earn. Actually.. no fighter earns the right to barely train, wake up at 8 pm, work out in their living room and smoke weed before the biggest fight of their lives. Not until retirement...

And It's saddening to see a coach like Freddie who is one of the most respected have to put up with that. I agree 100% with what you said that Freddie should fire Chavez Jr, and truth is he should have done that a long time ago, because if Chavez doesn't get it by now and keeps getting disciplined over and over again and keeps continuing to break rules there's no hope for him. How many times has he been busted for something or done something stupid, and yet he still does these things. Freddie shouldn't waste his time.

Sad thing is, despite losing every round but the last against Sergio. Because of him testing positive for weed added on top of that. Casual fans are gonna say he deserves a rematch because he nearly knocked him out when high and if sobered up he'd knock him out for sure. Completely ignoring the previous 11 rounds.

It really doesn't bother me too much, Canelo is gonna surpass him in popularity soon enough if he already hasn't and Chavez will be in the what could have been category. But as far as Freddie goes he needs to let go of this kid as fast as possible, if there was a last straw, this was it.

Being tested positive for weed is just dumb, you have to wonder what he was thinking if anything, from the looks of it he's fucked up his career. His fans might not give a shit, but HBO and/or his sponsors sure as hell will, I bet he gets dumped.

[Diane]

LMFAO!!! That dirtbag Fernando Beltran is trying to say that the positive result might have come from some tea he was drinking.


Beltran: Chavez's Tea May Have Caused Positive Test - Boxing News

[Mars_ax]

LMFAO!!! That dirtbag Fernando Beltran is trying to say that the positive result might have come from some tea he was drinking.


Beltran: Chavez's Tea May Have Caused Positive Test - Boxing News

Beltran is also trying to sell some beach front property in Mexico City.
Does this imbecile really believe the NSA Commission is going to buy that shit? It doesn't make any difference if you smoke marijuana or drink it in a "tea" for insomnia, the THC (Tetrahydrocannabinol) is going to show up in a piss test, and it's a banned substance.