Dundee and Roach are great trainers, but their major stars were already good boxers (I think I would be remembered as a great trainer if I had Muhammad Ali, Ray Leonard or Manny Pacquiao in my stable).

No disrespect to those guys, but I really rate some of the old timers who had to slog their way through life and created a mega star on their way - people like Chappie Blackburn, Eddie Futch or Charley Goldman.