The "Puerto Rico vs. Mexico boxing rivalry" - who's winning?

[Mars_ax]

Puerto Rico and Mexico probably have the best major rivalry in boxing. By comparison, Puerto Rico is a much smaller country then Mexico, but for it's size it's produced a ton of great fighters. All things considered, which country do you believe is getting the best of this rivalry and why?

P.S. Let's keep things civil, and just present the facts.

See what you started, bro?


I would bill you for the cans of bug spray I've had to use on VD and his little chihuahua..... but admittedly I've had a little fun poking fun at these two. It's almost too easy.

VD has more fleas then his chihuahua, who also has fresher breath. BTW, chihuahua/stray perro is a staple in the mexican diet, it's the meat they use when they make, tamales, burritos, and soft tacos.

I figure now it's about time Fenster started another thread about Prince Hamed, it's been at least 6 months or more.

Shit, no wonder they're always pissed off and bug-eyed and all that.
It must be in their DNA to think they're being sized up for the next meal.

I like Chihuahuas, they can make loyal little friends. Some of my neighbors have them, one in particular used to come over for a snack and to watch TV with me.

[Rantcatrat]

I have no dog in the Puerto Rico vs. Mexico rivalry, although I would assume Mexico is winning at this point in time.

On another note, Argentina is taking Mexico to school this year: Matthysse over Soto, Maidana over Soto Karass and Martinez over Junior. Three nationally-televised fights; three wins for Argentina.

[outspoken]

I have no dog in the Puerto Rico vs. Mexico rivalry, although I would assume Mexico is winning at this point in time.

On another note, Argentina is taking Mexico to school this year: Matthysse over Soto, Maidana over Soto Karass and Martinez over Junior. Three nationally-televised fights; three wins for Argentina.

Those are match ups of their best fighters against some of our mediocre fighters. To say "Argentina is taking Mexico to school this year" is kinda dumb. Maidana would be stopped under 5 rounds vs Canelo. Matthysse would also get stopped by Canelo IMO. Sergio on the other hand is a top elite fighter and I can't really think of anyone let alone a mexican challenging him on his divison. He needs to move up or down to fight either Floyd or Ward so he can actually be challenged.

But seriously come on Humberto Soto 8 loses? Kasarras 8 loses too? ... The only legit loss is Chavez JR these other guys while mexican are mediocre fighters no where near our best.. Maidana and Matthysse while limited.. are consider Argentinas best Not to say that Chavez JR is a top fighter (Not at all) but he was undefeated and up and comer.

[Rantcatrat]

I have no dog in the Puerto Rico vs. Mexico rivalry, although I would assume Mexico is winning at this point in time.

On another note, Argentina is taking Mexico to school this year: Matthysse over Soto, Maidana over Soto Karass and Martinez over Junior. Three nationally-televised fights; three wins for Argentina.

Those are match ups of their best fighters against some of our mediocre fighters. To say "Argentina is taking Mexico to school this year" is kinda dumb. Maidana would be stopped under 5 rounds vs Canelo. Matthysse would also get stopped by Canelo IMO. Sergio on the other hand is a top elite fighter and I can't really think of anyone let alone a mexican challenging him on his divison. He needs to move up or down to fight either Floyd or Ward so he can actually be challenged.

But seriously come on Humberto Soto 8 loses? Kasarras 8 loses too? ... The only legit loss is Chavez JR these other guys while mexican are mediocre fighters no where near our best.. Maidana and Matthysse while limited.. are consider Argentinas best Not to say that Chavez JR is a top fighter (Not at all) but he was undefeated and up and comer.

First, scoreboard.

Second, it would be no shame if Maidana lost to Canelo because Maidana is a welterweight/junior welterweight and Canelo is a junior middleweight! Canelo should be fighting junior middleweights, not welterweights. Instead, he has picked on smaller guys. Until he beats a solid junior middleweight, I'm reserving judgment on him, although I would be a liar if I didn't see potential. He should be facing Sergio Martinez, not Marcos Maidana.

Third, Soto had dominated all Mexican competition, albeit still not great competition, for four years or so at lightweight before moving up to face Matthysse. This was a pick em' fight going into it. Many people thought Soto would outbox Matthysse. It was also a big fight on Showtime.

What Mexican fighters do you want to see Matthysse and Maidana fight now? I would love to see Juan Manuel Marquez face Lucas Matthysse; I just don't it happening. JMM has bigger fish to fry. If Rios and Alvarado weren't with a rival promotion company, I would also like to see either of them face Matthysse.

[ElTerribleMorales]

I have no dog in the Puerto Rico vs. Mexico rivalry, although I would assume Mexico is winning at this point in time.

On another note, Argentina is taking Mexico to school this year: Matthysse over Soto, Maidana over Soto Karass and Martinez over Junior. Three nationally-televised fights; three wins for Argentina.

Those are match ups of their best fighters against some of our mediocre fighters. To say "Argentina is taking Mexico to school this year" is kinda dumb. Maidana would be stopped under 5 rounds vs Canelo. Matthysse would also get stopped by Canelo IMO. Sergio on the other hand is a top elite fighter and I can't really think of anyone let alone a mexican challenging him on his divison. He needs to move up or down to fight either Floyd or Ward so he can actually be challenged.

But seriously come on Humberto Soto 8 loses? Kasarras 8 loses too? ... The only legit loss is Chavez JR these other guys while mexican are mediocre fighters no where near our best.. Maidana and Matthysse while limited.. are consider Argentinas best Not to say that Chavez JR is a top fighter (Not at all) but he was undefeated and up and comer.

and the sad thing is that the only 2 that Canelo would fight are Maidana and Matthhysse, cause well they fit his normal profile, smaller guys lol he wouldn't even step up to fight Martinez if given the chance, Canelo's next opponent will probably still be Victor fucking Ortiz or Delvin Rodriguez lol, and sad thing is that he's in a division that has plenty of good match ups

Cotto, Trout, Mayweather, Angulo, Kirkland, Quintana, Martirosyan, Lara, and Molina are all at 154

obviously not all are available (Cotto/Trout, Lara/Martirosyan and Angulo all set), but the rest are available, hell even Bundrage would be a step up, but no, Canelo is like Chavez Jr., he'll fight old shot fighters, smaller guys, or bums until he has no other choice other than to cash in, and when he does he gets fully exposed

[CutMeMick]

I did a list some years back I believe it's something like 30 wins for Mexico and about 20 for PR...

Gonna have to look for the list. I know I have it here somewhere in my notes.
It's easily the richest and biggest boxing rivalry we have.

[Gandalf]

I think it is a nonsense thing to have rivalries between countries. Boxing is an individual sport and you like fighters based on style and character. I couldn't give a fuck where they come from. We live on planet earth, what does a border have to do with anything? It is a ridiculous argument really. Barrera is Mexican. Toney is American. Hatton is English. I like them all, what does nationality have to do with it? What next, liking fighters based on race? Liking fighters based on sexuality? Liking fighters based on religious affiliation? Mind you I do hate God bothering fighters. Andre Ward is particularly idiotic.

A true fan of boxing transcends gay concepts like nation and border. It is trite, small minded, and pathetic.

[outspoken]

I think it is a nonsense thing to have rivalries between countries. Boxing is an individual sport and you like fighters based on style and character. I couldn't give a fuck where they come from. We live on planet earth, what does a border have to do with anything? It is a ridiculous argument really. Barrera is Mexican. Toney is American. Hatton is English. I like them all, what does nationality have to do with it? What next, liking fighters based on race? Liking fighters based on sexuality? Liking fighters based on religious affiliation? Mind you I do hate God bothering fighters. Andre Ward is particularly idiotic.

A true fan of boxing transcends gay concepts like nation and border. It is trite, small minded, and pathetic.

I get what you're saying and there's nothing wrong with that. Some of my fav. fighters are Hamed (Yes) Whitaker, Hatton, Kostya, DLH, Cotto.. etc. But the rivalries add excitement to the sport. It keeps it entertaining.. special; the puerto rico vs mexico fued, both fighters give it that 110 percent because it's such a huge thing with two nations watching and pulling for their fighter. It's not that we're racist or prejudiced but we just like rooting for our home town heroes some time. Mind you there's exceptions like Cotto vs Margarito.. I'm very happy with the 2nd fight's outcome. In all honestly its a fun rivalry, nothing personal. While I respect their boxing history i get a kick out of making fun of the 2 hut amigos as well.

[Violent Demise]

I have no dog in the Puerto Rico vs. Mexico rivalry, although I would assume Mexico is winning at this point in time.

On another note, Argentina is taking Mexico to school this year: Matthysse over Soto, Maidana over Soto Karass and Martinez over Junior. Three nationally-televised fights; three wins for Argentina.

Those are match ups of their best fighters against some of our mediocre fighters. To say "Argentina is taking Mexico to school this year" is kinda dumb. Maidana would be stopped under 5 rounds vs Canelo. Matthysse would also get stopped by Canelo IMO. Sergio on the other hand is a top elite fighter and I can't really think of anyone let alone a mexican challenging him on his divison. He needs to move up or down to fight either Floyd or Ward so he can actually be challenged.

But seriously come on Humberto Soto 8 loses? Kasarras 8 loses too? ... The only legit loss is Chavez JR these other guys while mexican are mediocre fighters no where near our best.. Maidana and Matthysse while limited.. are consider Argentinas best Not to say that Chavez JR is a top fighter (Not at all) but he was undefeated and up and comer.

and the sad thing is that the only 2 that Canelo would fight are Maidana and Matthhysse, cause well they fit his normal profile, smaller guys lol he wouldn't even step up to fight Martinez if given the chance, Canelo's next opponent will probably still be Victor fucking Ortiz or Delvin Rodriguez lol, and sad thing is that he's in a division that has plenty of good match ups

Cotto, Trout, Mayweather, Angulo, Kirkland, Quintana, Martirosyan, Lara, and Molina are all at 154

obviously not all are available (Cotto/Trout, Lara/Martirosyan and Angulo all set), but the rest are available, hell even Bundrage would be a step up, but no, Canelo is like Chavez Jr., he'll fight old shot fighters, smaller guys, or bums until he has no other choice other than to cash in, and when he does he gets fully exposed

Again you show everybody how little you know about the sport of Boxing. Golden Boy and Alverez made the fight with Kirkland. Kirkland punked out. They offered the fight to Cotto. Not wanting to end up in a situation where he might quit again Cotto didn't accept. Yet you still list them as fighters Alvarez is some how ducking. Or refusing to fight.

Like teenage Puerto Rican girls you make it to easy.

[ElTerribleMorales]

I have no dog in the Puerto Rico vs. Mexico rivalry, although I would assume Mexico is winning at this point in time.

On another note, Argentina is taking Mexico to school this year: Matthysse over Soto, Maidana over Soto Karass and Martinez over Junior. Three nationally-televised fights; three wins for Argentina.

Those are match ups of their best fighters against some of our mediocre fighters. To say "Argentina is taking Mexico to school this year" is kinda dumb. Maidana would be stopped under 5 rounds vs Canelo. Matthysse would also get stopped by Canelo IMO. Sergio on the other hand is a top elite fighter and I can't really think of anyone let alone a mexican challenging him on his divison. He needs to move up or down to fight either Floyd or Ward so he can actually be challenged.

But seriously come on Humberto Soto 8 loses? Kasarras 8 loses too? ... The only legit loss is Chavez JR these other guys while mexican are mediocre fighters no where near our best.. Maidana and Matthysse while limited.. are consider Argentinas best Not to say that Chavez JR is a top fighter (Not at all) but he was undefeated and up and comer.

and the sad thing is that the only 2 that Canelo would fight are Maidana and Matthhysse, cause well they fit his normal profile, smaller guys lol he wouldn't even step up to fight Martinez if given the chance, Canelo's next opponent will probably still be Victor fucking Ortiz or Delvin Rodriguez lol, and sad thing is that he's in a division that has plenty of good match ups

Cotto, Trout, Mayweather, Angulo, Kirkland, Quintana, Martirosyan, Lara, and Molina are all at 154

obviously not all are available (Cotto/Trout, Lara/Martirosyan and Angulo all set), but the rest are available, hell even Bundrage would be a step up, but no, Canelo is like Chavez Jr., he'll fight old shot fighters, smaller guys, or bums until he has no other choice other than to cash in, and when he does he gets fully exposed

Again you show everybody how little you know about the sport of Boxing. Golden Boy and Alverez made the fight with Kirkland. Kirkland punked out. They offered the fight to Cotto. Not wanting to end up in a situation where he might quit again Cotto didn't accept. Yet you still list them as fighters Alvarez is some how ducking. Or refusing to fight.

Like teenage Puerto Rican girls you make it to easy.

does that change the fact that Canelo decided to go after the fucking smaller Lopez, I know damn well that they "proposed" a fight against Kirkland, no proof that they ever offered a fight to Cotto, for someone who hates Pactards so fuckin bad VD you're just as big of a fan boy as them when it comes to your two crushes the Ginger and Silverspoon Jr, just like a back alley Tijuana whore you say anything to try to make a sell, fuckin sad

[outspoken]

I wonder if anyone is going to even bother to create a third Puerto Rico vs Mexico thread and expect for it to be a civil debate lol

[outspoken]

I have no dog in the Puerto Rico vs. Mexico rivalry, although I would assume Mexico is winning at this point in time.

On another note, Argentina is taking Mexico to school this year: Matthysse over Soto, Maidana over Soto Karass and Martinez over Junior. Three nationally-televised fights; three wins for Argentina.

Those are match ups of their best fighters against some of our mediocre fighters. To say "Argentina is taking Mexico to school this year" is kinda dumb. Maidana would be stopped under 5 rounds vs Canelo. Matthysse would also get stopped by Canelo IMO. Sergio on the other hand is a top elite fighter and I can't really think of anyone let alone a mexican challenging him on his divison. He needs to move up or down to fight either Floyd or Ward so he can actually be challenged.

But seriously come on Humberto Soto 8 loses? Kasarras 8 loses too? ... The only legit loss is Chavez JR these other guys while mexican are mediocre fighters no where near our best.. Maidana and Matthysse while limited.. are consider Argentinas best Not to say that Chavez JR is a top fighter (Not at all) but he was undefeated and up and comer.

and the sad thing is that the only 2 that Canelo would fight are Maidana and Matthhysse, cause well they fit his normal profile, smaller guys lol he wouldn't even step up to fight Martinez if given the chance, Canelo's next opponent will probably still be Victor fucking Ortiz or Delvin Rodriguez lol, and sad thing is that he's in a division that has plenty of good match ups

Cotto, Trout, Mayweather, Angulo, Kirkland, Quintana, Martirosyan, Lara, and Molina are all at 154

obviously not all are available (Cotto/Trout, Lara/Martirosyan and Angulo all set), but the rest are available, hell even Bundrage would be a step up, but no, Canelo is like Chavez Jr., he'll fight old shot fighters, smaller guys, or bums until he has no other choice other than to cash in, and when he does he gets fully exposed

Again you show everybody how little you know about the sport of Boxing. Golden Boy and Alverez made the fight with Kirkland. Kirkland punked out. They offered the fight to Cotto. Not wanting to end up in a situation where he might quit again Cotto didn't accept. Yet you still list them as fighters Alvarez is some how ducking. Or refusing to fight.

Like teenage Puerto Rican girls you make it to easy.

does that change the fact that Canelo decided to go after the fucking smaller Lopez, I know damn well that they "proposed" a fight against Kirkland, no proof that they ever offered a fight to Cotto, for someone who hates Pactards so fuckin bad VD you're just as big of a fan boy as them when it comes to your two crushes the Ginger and Silverspoon Jr, just like a back alley Tijuana whore you say anything to try to make a sell, fuckin sad

Say what you will about Chavez Jr but honestly if you think Canelo is scared or ducking fighters it's pretty moronic. Canelo was set to fight Paul Williams before the accident, then Canelo was set to fight Ortiz who mind you had just fought Mayweather but well.. Josesito had a fluke win so Canelo handled that. Canelo has been calling out Mayweather for a while now, Kirkland backed out of the fight... I'm not sure about Cotto I can't remember hearing that but.. Canelo is stepping up no need to hate on him. Not to mention Mosley but "he was old and past his prime" because he lost to Mayweather and Pacquiao right?

[Violent Demise]

I have no dog in the Puerto Rico vs. Mexico rivalry, although I would assume Mexico is winning at this point in time.

On another note, Argentina is taking Mexico to school this year: Matthysse over Soto, Maidana over Soto Karass and Martinez over Junior. Three nationally-televised fights; three wins for Argentina.

Those are match ups of their best fighters against some of our mediocre fighters. To say "Argentina is taking Mexico to school this year" is kinda dumb. Maidana would be stopped under 5 rounds vs Canelo. Matthysse would also get stopped by Canelo IMO. Sergio on the other hand is a top elite fighter and I can't really think of anyone let alone a mexican challenging him on his divison. He needs to move up or down to fight either Floyd or Ward so he can actually be challenged.

But seriously come on Humberto Soto 8 loses? Kasarras 8 loses too? ... The only legit loss is Chavez JR these other guys while mexican are mediocre fighters no where near our best.. Maidana and Matthysse while limited.. are consider Argentinas best Not to say that Chavez JR is a top fighter (Not at all) but he was undefeated and up and comer.

and the sad thing is that the only 2 that Canelo would fight are Maidana and Matthhysse, cause well they fit his normal profile, smaller guys lol he wouldn't even step up to fight Martinez if given the chance, Canelo's next opponent will probably still be Victor fucking Ortiz or Delvin Rodriguez lol, and sad thing is that he's in a division that has plenty of good match ups

Cotto, Trout, Mayweather, Angulo, Kirkland, Quintana, Martirosyan, Lara, and Molina are all at 154

obviously not all are available (Cotto/Trout, Lara/Martirosyan and Angulo all set), but the rest are available, hell even Bundrage would be a step up, but no, Canelo is like Chavez Jr., he'll fight old shot fighters, smaller guys, or bums until he has no other choice other than to cash in, and when he does he gets fully exposed

Again you show everybody how little you know about the sport of Boxing. Golden Boy and Alverez made the fight with Kirkland. Kirkland punked out. They offered the fight to Cotto. Not wanting to end up in a situation where he might quit again Cotto didn't accept. Yet you still list them as fighters Alvarez is some how ducking. Or refusing to fight.

Like teenage Puerto Rican girls you make it to easy.

does that change the fact that Canelo decided to go after the fucking smaller Lopez, I know damn well that they "proposed" a fight against Kirkland, no proof that they ever offered a fight to Cotto, for someone who hates Pactards so fuckin bad VD you're just as big of a fan boy as them when it comes to your two crushes the Ginger and Silverspoon Jr, just like a back alley Tijuana whore you say anything to try to make a sell, fuckin sad

If you knew they offered Kirkland a fight (and refused it) than why list him as someone Alvarez should be fighting? That's just stupidity.

There was no point in offering Cotto a fight after he made it clear he didn't wanna fight Alvarez. His bullshit excuse was he had a big money fight in December. Supposely a Pac or Mayweather rematch. He's fighting Austin Trout instead. He used the rematch possibilites to avoid fighting Alvarez. You can hype Trout all you want. Claim he's this and that. It don't matter. Cuz there is no way Cotto makes more for a Trout fight tha he would for a Alvarez fight. No way.