The "Puerto Rico vs. Mexico boxing rivalry" - who's winning?

[ElTerribleMorales]

still waiting for this mythical fighter, and if the best you can come up with is Josesito Lopez well that's still a notch below both Juanma Lopez and Danny Garcia

Dude it's kinda sad that you don't see that Josesito Lopez was clearly a sarcastic answer lol

given ur logic and past comments wouldn't put it passed you, so on a serious note, answer the question, name one significant Mexican fighter apart from JMM, who has any elite level fighter on his record much less a win

Are you trying to set me up to say Chavez jr so you can start with your conspiracy theories? If so there you go. How about you besides Cotto which rican has beaten a p4p fighter or faced one? Wilfredo? That would be your Chavez equivalent

no just knocking down your claims that Juanma Lopez never fought anyone who was elite, so wanted to see exactly who you would try to push out as a real example, which obviously you had none, and sorry Wilfredo Jr and Chavez Jr is apples and oranges, because Vazquez stepped it up and fought the likes of Sonsona, Arce, Oquendo, and Donaire with half the amount of pro fights, but yea, don't consider Vazquez Jr elite, we have the obvious answer which is Cotto, he's the equivalent to Marquez, has fought everyone, but like him or not but Garcia did just spark Khan who was/is ELITE

[Violent Demise]

Of course the US won't require you to carry that Id. 98 percent of ricans can't afford a ticket out the island with the 5 cents a day wage. The other 2 percent aren't aware other countries exist.

lol yea cause we do require a ticket to get to the US, not like we can just swim across a river and jump a fence , but it also has to do with the fact that we don't have to leave the island make a living, don't try and take it there buddy cause that's a losing battle for you lol

Of course you don't. Puerto Rico is called Welfare Island for a reason. Why leave the island and work when you can just sit at home and get food stamps provided not from the Puerto Rican goverment (they have one?) but the US goverment.

[TitoFan]

Puerto Rico and Mexico probably have the best major rivalry in boxing. By comparison, Puerto Rico is a much smaller country then Mexico, but for it's size it's produced a ton of great fighters. All things considered, which country do you believe is getting the best of this rivalry and why?

P.S. Let's keep things civil, and just present the facts.

See what you started, bro?


I would bill you for the cans of bug spray I've had to use on VD and his little chihuahua..... but admittedly I've had a little fun poking fun at these two. It's almost too easy.

[Mars_ax]

Puerto Rico and Mexico probably have the best major rivalry in boxing. By comparison, Puerto Rico is a much smaller country then Mexico, but for it's size it's produced a ton of great fighters. All things considered, which country do you believe is getting the best of this rivalry and why?

P.S. Let's keep things civil, and just present the facts.

See what you started, bro?


I would bill you for the cans of bug spray I've had to use on VD and his little chihuahua..... but admittedly I've had a little fun poking fun at these two. It's almost too easy.

VD has more fleas then his chihuahua, who also has fresher breath. BTW, chihuahua/stray perro is a staple in the mexican diet, it's the meat they use when they make, tamales, burritos, and soft tacos.

I figure now it's about time Fenster started another thread about Prince Hamed, it's been at least 6 months or more.

[Fenster]

I'm glad you enjoy them @Mars_ax.

Currently though I can only think of one regular guy that would bite. And I feel sorry for him, at the moment, because he's so paranoid about people out to get him.

The Naz threads will return though. Fact.

[TitoFan]

Puerto Rico and Mexico probably have the best major rivalry in boxing. By comparison, Puerto Rico is a much smaller country then Mexico, but for it's size it's produced a ton of great fighters. All things considered, which country do you believe is getting the best of this rivalry and why?

P.S. Let's keep things civil, and just present the facts.

See what you started, bro?


I would bill you for the cans of bug spray I've had to use on VD and his little chihuahua..... but admittedly I've had a little fun poking fun at these two. It's almost too easy.

VD has more fleas then his chihuahua, who also has fresher breath. BTW, chihuahua/stray perro is a staple in the mexican diet, it's the meat they use when they make, tamales, burritos, and soft tacos.

I figure now it's about time Fenster started another thread about Prince Hamed, it's been at least 6 months or more.

Shit, no wonder they're always pissed off and bug-eyed and all that.
It must be in their DNA to think they're being sized up for the next meal.

[Mars_ax]

Puerto Rico and Mexico probably have the best major rivalry in boxing. By comparison, Puerto Rico is a much smaller country then Mexico, but for it's size it's produced a ton of great fighters. All things considered, which country do you believe is getting the best of this rivalry and why?

P.S. Let's keep things civil, and just present the facts.

See what you started, bro?


I would bill you for the cans of bug spray I've had to use on VD and his little chihuahua..... but admittedly I've had a little fun poking fun at these two. It's almost too easy.

VD has more fleas then his chihuahua, who also has fresher breath. BTW, chihuahua/stray perro is a staple in the mexican diet, it's the meat they use when they make, tamales, burritos, and soft tacos.

I figure now it's about time Fenster started another thread about Prince Hamed, it's been at least 6 months or more.

Shit, no wonder they're always pissed off and bug-eyed and all that.
It must be in their DNA to think they're being sized up for the next meal.

I like Chihuahuas, they can make loyal little friends. Some of my neighbors have them, one in particular used to come over for a snack and to watch TV with me.

[Rantcatrat]

I have no dog in the Puerto Rico vs. Mexico rivalry, although I would assume Mexico is winning at this point in time.

On another note, Argentina is taking Mexico to school this year: Matthysse over Soto, Maidana over Soto Karass and Martinez over Junior. Three nationally-televised fights; three wins for Argentina.

[outspoken]

I have no dog in the Puerto Rico vs. Mexico rivalry, although I would assume Mexico is winning at this point in time.

On another note, Argentina is taking Mexico to school this year: Matthysse over Soto, Maidana over Soto Karass and Martinez over Junior. Three nationally-televised fights; three wins for Argentina.

Those are match ups of their best fighters against some of our mediocre fighters. To say "Argentina is taking Mexico to school this year" is kinda dumb. Maidana would be stopped under 5 rounds vs Canelo. Matthysse would also get stopped by Canelo IMO. Sergio on the other hand is a top elite fighter and I can't really think of anyone let alone a mexican challenging him on his divison. He needs to move up or down to fight either Floyd or Ward so he can actually be challenged.

But seriously come on Humberto Soto 8 loses? Kasarras 8 loses too? ... The only legit loss is Chavez JR these other guys while mexican are mediocre fighters no where near our best.. Maidana and Matthysse while limited.. are consider Argentinas best Not to say that Chavez JR is a top fighter (Not at all) but he was undefeated and up and comer.

[Rantcatrat]

I have no dog in the Puerto Rico vs. Mexico rivalry, although I would assume Mexico is winning at this point in time.

On another note, Argentina is taking Mexico to school this year: Matthysse over Soto, Maidana over Soto Karass and Martinez over Junior. Three nationally-televised fights; three wins for Argentina.

Those are match ups of their best fighters against some of our mediocre fighters. To say "Argentina is taking Mexico to school this year" is kinda dumb. Maidana would be stopped under 5 rounds vs Canelo. Matthysse would also get stopped by Canelo IMO. Sergio on the other hand is a top elite fighter and I can't really think of anyone let alone a mexican challenging him on his divison. He needs to move up or down to fight either Floyd or Ward so he can actually be challenged.

But seriously come on Humberto Soto 8 loses? Kasarras 8 loses too? ... The only legit loss is Chavez JR these other guys while mexican are mediocre fighters no where near our best.. Maidana and Matthysse while limited.. are consider Argentinas best Not to say that Chavez JR is a top fighter (Not at all) but he was undefeated and up and comer.

First, scoreboard.

Second, it would be no shame if Maidana lost to Canelo because Maidana is a welterweight/junior welterweight and Canelo is a junior middleweight! Canelo should be fighting junior middleweights, not welterweights. Instead, he has picked on smaller guys. Until he beats a solid junior middleweight, I'm reserving judgment on him, although I would be a liar if I didn't see potential. He should be facing Sergio Martinez, not Marcos Maidana.

Third, Soto had dominated all Mexican competition, albeit still not great competition, for four years or so at lightweight before moving up to face Matthysse. This was a pick em' fight going into it. Many people thought Soto would outbox Matthysse. It was also a big fight on Showtime.

What Mexican fighters do you want to see Matthysse and Maidana fight now? I would love to see Juan Manuel Marquez face Lucas Matthysse; I just don't it happening. JMM has bigger fish to fry. If Rios and Alvarado weren't with a rival promotion company, I would also like to see either of them face Matthysse.

[ElTerribleMorales]

I have no dog in the Puerto Rico vs. Mexico rivalry, although I would assume Mexico is winning at this point in time.

On another note, Argentina is taking Mexico to school this year: Matthysse over Soto, Maidana over Soto Karass and Martinez over Junior. Three nationally-televised fights; three wins for Argentina.

Those are match ups of their best fighters against some of our mediocre fighters. To say "Argentina is taking Mexico to school this year" is kinda dumb. Maidana would be stopped under 5 rounds vs Canelo. Matthysse would also get stopped by Canelo IMO. Sergio on the other hand is a top elite fighter and I can't really think of anyone let alone a mexican challenging him on his divison. He needs to move up or down to fight either Floyd or Ward so he can actually be challenged.

But seriously come on Humberto Soto 8 loses? Kasarras 8 loses too? ... The only legit loss is Chavez JR these other guys while mexican are mediocre fighters no where near our best.. Maidana and Matthysse while limited.. are consider Argentinas best Not to say that Chavez JR is a top fighter (Not at all) but he was undefeated and up and comer.

and the sad thing is that the only 2 that Canelo would fight are Maidana and Matthhysse, cause well they fit his normal profile, smaller guys lol he wouldn't even step up to fight Martinez if given the chance, Canelo's next opponent will probably still be Victor fucking Ortiz or Delvin Rodriguez lol, and sad thing is that he's in a division that has plenty of good match ups

Cotto, Trout, Mayweather, Angulo, Kirkland, Quintana, Martirosyan, Lara, and Molina are all at 154

obviously not all are available (Cotto/Trout, Lara/Martirosyan and Angulo all set), but the rest are available, hell even Bundrage would be a step up, but no, Canelo is like Chavez Jr., he'll fight old shot fighters, smaller guys, or bums until he has no other choice other than to cash in, and when he does he gets fully exposed

[CutMeMick]

I did a list some years back I believe it's something like 30 wins for Mexico and about 20 for PR...

Gonna have to look for the list. I know I have it here somewhere in my notes.
It's easily the richest and biggest boxing rivalry we have.

[Gandalf]

I think it is a nonsense thing to have rivalries between countries. Boxing is an individual sport and you like fighters based on style and character. I couldn't give a fuck where they come from. We live on planet earth, what does a border have to do with anything? It is a ridiculous argument really. Barrera is Mexican. Toney is American. Hatton is English. I like them all, what does nationality have to do with it? What next, liking fighters based on race? Liking fighters based on sexuality? Liking fighters based on religious affiliation? Mind you I do hate God bothering fighters. Andre Ward is particularly idiotic.

A true fan of boxing transcends gay concepts like nation and border. It is trite, small minded, and pathetic.

[outspoken]

I think it is a nonsense thing to have rivalries between countries. Boxing is an individual sport and you like fighters based on style and character. I couldn't give a fuck where they come from. We live on planet earth, what does a border have to do with anything? It is a ridiculous argument really. Barrera is Mexican. Toney is American. Hatton is English. I like them all, what does nationality have to do with it? What next, liking fighters based on race? Liking fighters based on sexuality? Liking fighters based on religious affiliation? Mind you I do hate God bothering fighters. Andre Ward is particularly idiotic.

A true fan of boxing transcends gay concepts like nation and border. It is trite, small minded, and pathetic.

I get what you're saying and there's nothing wrong with that. Some of my fav. fighters are Hamed (Yes) Whitaker, Hatton, Kostya, DLH, Cotto.. etc. But the rivalries add excitement to the sport. It keeps it entertaining.. special; the puerto rico vs mexico fued, both fighters give it that 110 percent because it's such a huge thing with two nations watching and pulling for their fighter. It's not that we're racist or prejudiced but we just like rooting for our home town heroes some time. Mind you there's exceptions like Cotto vs Margarito.. I'm very happy with the 2nd fight's outcome. In all honestly its a fun rivalry, nothing personal. While I respect their boxing history i get a kick out of making fun of the 2 hut amigos as well.

[Violent Demise]

I have no dog in the Puerto Rico vs. Mexico rivalry, although I would assume Mexico is winning at this point in time.

On another note, Argentina is taking Mexico to school this year: Matthysse over Soto, Maidana over Soto Karass and Martinez over Junior. Three nationally-televised fights; three wins for Argentina.

Those are match ups of their best fighters against some of our mediocre fighters. To say "Argentina is taking Mexico to school this year" is kinda dumb. Maidana would be stopped under 5 rounds vs Canelo. Matthysse would also get stopped by Canelo IMO. Sergio on the other hand is a top elite fighter and I can't really think of anyone let alone a mexican challenging him on his divison. He needs to move up or down to fight either Floyd or Ward so he can actually be challenged.

But seriously come on Humberto Soto 8 loses? Kasarras 8 loses too? ... The only legit loss is Chavez JR these other guys while mexican are mediocre fighters no where near our best.. Maidana and Matthysse while limited.. are consider Argentinas best Not to say that Chavez JR is a top fighter (Not at all) but he was undefeated and up and comer.

and the sad thing is that the only 2 that Canelo would fight are Maidana and Matthhysse, cause well they fit his normal profile, smaller guys lol he wouldn't even step up to fight Martinez if given the chance, Canelo's next opponent will probably still be Victor fucking Ortiz or Delvin Rodriguez lol, and sad thing is that he's in a division that has plenty of good match ups

Cotto, Trout, Mayweather, Angulo, Kirkland, Quintana, Martirosyan, Lara, and Molina are all at 154

obviously not all are available (Cotto/Trout, Lara/Martirosyan and Angulo all set), but the rest are available, hell even Bundrage would be a step up, but no, Canelo is like Chavez Jr., he'll fight old shot fighters, smaller guys, or bums until he has no other choice other than to cash in, and when he does he gets fully exposed

Again you show everybody how little you know about the sport of Boxing. Golden Boy and Alverez made the fight with Kirkland. Kirkland punked out. They offered the fight to Cotto. Not wanting to end up in a situation where he might quit again Cotto didn't accept. Yet you still list them as fighters Alvarez is some how ducking. Or refusing to fight.

Like teenage Puerto Rican girls you make it to easy.