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I'm gonna watch a little of the post debate talk, and see who was thought to win.
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Biden was running on the spot fact checking. Meaning, every time Ryan started to spout some bullshit Biden just jumped in (interrupted) and called it just that. Was it cordial? Naw. Maybe even rude. But he sure jumped in a lot! Because there is/was that much BS coming from other side.
Biden did a good job. Too much smiling and all that, but that is style. Elections shouldn't be about style, but about substance. When he talked it was all substance and Ryan had no good answer for that.
Doubt it will do much for the polls. But it was good tv. Obama had better have been paying attention and taking notes unless he wants to kiss the election goodbye.
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I agree all and all. Just almost like he, Ryan, was reading a prep sheet live and never stopped smiling-smirking. The first question was huge though...great with 'Failure' in Libya by moderator and Ryan was very strong there. Biden got 'loud' too but if Obama ever misses his own sac maybe he can borrows Bidens. Second to last question about a real veteran being disenfranchised about 'negative' tone of both sides and how to 'win' interest over bugged the shit outta me...Ryan just turned it into a campaign add and only whats wrong with other side. Duh.
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No clear winner really, but just the fact that Biden held his own and then some, might help the Dems some but not much. I believe voters will come away from the debate seeing Ryan more favorably, in other words, ultimately the Repubs will benefit most, mainly because Biden is not very likable. Ryan's youth and inexperience will be forgiven as well.
The Dems are going to say Biden won the "debate" no matter what, but it's hard to know how the Independent/undecided voters will feel. I can't imagine why anyone would want 4 more years of BO and Biden.
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I hate them quite a lot but IMO, Biden won that one hands down, he was more eloquent, won on the psychology department with his cutting smile and his explanations were all around better articulated. Fuck this old prick still.
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HolyshitRyan looks a lil Max Kellerman there. Biden looks like he's about to shoot someones kitten
Consensus is Biden re-energized the Dems' and many feel like he won the debate. The thing is, he came off as a patronizing, rude, annoying, jackass. Can you imagine this asshole becoming President if BO died in office? Other then energizing his party, I really doubt that Biden's performance is going to help get BO more votes in November.
All things considered, this debate won't change much, but the next 2 between Romney and BO could make a huge difference.
Biden did as much as he could do, he did look like an ass what with the smiling and laughing as Paul Ryan is talking about Libya and our dead countrymen. What Biden did best was he kept Ryan from going into detail and owning the debate due to his constant interruptions.
Overall, it might slow down the slide of the Obama/Biden ticket but it's not as important as the past and future Presidential debates....Obama had best show up if he would like to keep his job.
The race is SEEMINGLY close, but IMO things don't look good for Obama. He got schooled by Mitt Romney in the first debate on every single issue, Joe Biden only truly won about half the debate and he did so looking either like an asshole or someone who is mental and you don't want to be 1 heartbeat from the Presidency, and frankly the economic news whether they say unemployment is 7.8% or 2% people aren't feeling that...people are feeling like we gave a guy we thought would help us out a chance and he's not followed up on any of his promises and we'll see that come November
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I tuned in about 30 minutes into it, watch 10 minutes and couldn't take anymore.
Most bad government has grown out of too much government. Thomas Jefferson
I watched most of it, but I was close to turning the TV off several times, it was painful to watch, it seemed like Ryan was trying to "debate" both Biden and that bias, liberal skank Martha Raddatz, who did a horrible job "moderating".
The VP debate and Biden's alleged victory didn't seem to slow down Romney & Ryan's momentum, it's actually accelerated since then, Romney is ahead in most of the polls nationally and leads in many of the swing states. Frankly, I can't see Obama being able to do anything in the next 2 debates that will turn things around or back in his favor.
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Ryan was as lame as a duck with no legs and wings. Biden came off better, but that isn't saying much.
I find it funny with it being suggested that Romney destroyed Obama in the last debate. Didn't Romney basically backtrack on basic everything he has said in the last 2 years?
Quite ridiculous, but then the whole charade is just that.
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