Wladimirs resume is excellent...

[Master]

Philosopher is obsessed with size and weight not about skill, technique, accuracy and natural power which is what punching power is about.

[Spicoli]

Philosopher is obsessed with size and weight not about skill, technique, accuracy and natural power which is what punching power is about.

Think he's more obsessed with being a shit throwing tool frankly. Foreman with an iffy beard. For fuck sake

[El Kabong]

Philosopher is obsessed with size and weight not about skill, technique, accuracy and natural power which is what punching power is about.

Think he's more obsessed with being a shit throwing tool frankly. Foreman with an iffy beard. For fuck sake

Or Foreman's lack of power.....when you can KO over 80% of the fighters you beat and when you're 45 and can KO the heavyweight champion of the world then IMO you've got some pop. Maybe if George was from Eastern Europe he'd get some props

[Master]

Philosopher is obsessed with size and weight not about skill, technique, accuracy and natural power which is what punching power is about.

Think he's more obsessed with being a shit throwing tool frankly. Foreman with an iffy beard. For fuck sake

Or Foreman's lack of power.....when you can KO over 80% of the fighters you beat and when you're 45 and can KO the heavyweight champion of the world then IMO you've got some pop. Maybe if George was from Eastern Europe he'd get some props

Thank you, I thought it was just me and some other posters that had figured out he is so wrong it is laughable.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

Philosopher is obsessed with size and weight not about skill, technique, accuracy and natural power which is what punching power is about.

Think he's more obsessed with being a shit throwing tool frankly. Foreman with an iffy beard. For fuck sake

Or Foreman's lack of power.....when you can KO over 80% of the fighters you beat and when you're 45 and can KO the heavyweight champion of the world then IMO you've got some pop. Maybe if George was from Eastern Europe he'd get some props

Thank you, I thought it was just me and some other posters that had figured out he is so wrong it is laughable.

Please put forth your argument about foreman being 'the greatest puncher of all time'!

I will be waiting...

[Master]

Philosopher is obsessed with size and weight not about skill, technique, accuracy and natural power which is what punching power is about.

Think he's more obsessed with being a shit throwing tool frankly. Foreman with an iffy beard. For fuck sake

Or Foreman's lack of power.....when you can KO over 80% of the fighters you beat and when you're 45 and can KO the heavyweight champion of the world then IMO you've got some pop. Maybe if George was from Eastern Europe he'd get some props

Thank you, I thought it was just me and some other posters that had figured out he is so wrong it is laughable.

Please put forth your argument about foreman being 'the greatest puncher of all time'!

I will be waiting...

Kabong has done it already.

[El Kabong]

Listen, I'm the biggest fan of the Klitschko brothers there is but Foreman has a better KO%.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

Kabong has done it already

Can't u think for yourself? Your argument please?

Look, George get's overrated, sorry but he does.

George fought in the Golden Era alongside Muhammad Ali and was involved in one of the biggest fights ever, the Rumble In The Jungle, so he was a very high profile boxer. He then became the oldest heavyweight champion ever at 45, a great news story which made him famous again all around the world. George is known to be one of the most charismatic and media-friendly boxers ever, there are not many who can match his level of fame and recognition.

I think this has clouded the facts of his actual boxing career.

217lb Foreman beat Frazier twice (the second fight joe was overweight and totally shot!) You can't argue with the first win i suppose, Frazier was a great fghter, But they are wins of there time!! Does beating a chinny, 205lb fighter who medically would be unft to fight today give ppl the right to suggest foreman is the hardest hitter ever! How does he hit harder than Tyson, Tua, Lewis, The K2, Bowe etc? I don't see what was so awe inspiringly great about his career really at all. Foreman was great because he fought Ali! That's it isn't it?

He stopped Norton in two, but I'm not sure how impressive a feat that was. I think Norton is too highly rated because he was a tough match stylistically for Ali. Norton had been KO'd by a journeyman before he fought Big George, and both Earnie Shavers and Gerry Cooney put him away in the 1st round (this is maybe a bit unfair as Norton was well past-prime by then, but two 1st round KO defeats are there on his record). Norton also never won a world title an was annihilted by 188 lbs Garcia! Norton Freezes against punchers, admitted to being intimidated easily by them. Norton was put down over a dozen times in his career...

George was very very nearly KO'd by Ron Lyle (the Oliver McCall or Hasim Rahman of the Golden Era maybe??), and lost to Jimmy Young (record 20-5-2 at the time) - not a shock KO due to complacency like Lewis or wlad suffered, but simply a defeat by a better boxer on the night.

And that was that for Big George in the Golden Era. World champion for one year. Two great wins against the same opponent, one or two good wins, KO'd by Ali, took to the absolute brink by Lyle, beaten and floored by featherfisted Young. Young lost to Randy Neumann who was a two time loser to Chuck Wepner ffs! And was beaten easy by green Cooney! Cooney has a case for hitting harder than foreman considering he made easier work of lyle, norton and young.

The comeback was thoroughly underwhelming. Years of mediocrity alleviated by a one-punch KO of a former light-heavyweight champion after having been completely outboxed. Best wins were that win over Moorer, Moorer's fellow former lhw Qawi, and guys the standard of Cooper. Foreman got a gift v Axel Schulz in his first defence and was stripped for refusing to rematch him Yet we are to believe he was loking for a tyson fight!! Please...He couldn't beat a young and much more vulnerable shannon briggs convincingly!

For me, there is just no way that this is the career of a top 10 heavyweight, and certainly not the career of the hardest puncher ever!! I'm not being obnoxious, I don't even think he comes close. I do believe he is maybe the most overrated fighter ever because of his fame.

I am open to hearing the other side of the argument though, if anyone feels I am being unfair in my assessment of Big George's accomplishments in the ring??

I guess we are going to hear that Lyle was great because he lost to Ali and Foreman?Jerry Judge and Jose Roman lost to Foreman, so that must make them great too i suppose!

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

Just more 'A' typical typical nonsense! The American Mythology Mill, The Hollywood Fantasy Factory and the 1970s Hero Hype Machine!

Joe Frazier was blind on his left eye his entire professional career. Frazier wouldn't even be allowed to box nowadays. What does that tell u? He tricked the medical tests by covering his blind left eye and then switching his hand to cover his blind left eye. He would also bve the smallest HW operating today! What does that tell u? These things matter...

My thought's on fraziers abulity? Frazier was left hook happy, a poor boxer in terms of defense (though he was excellent at bobbing and weaving at the peak of his career) and was short and borderline fat. However, he was also immensely tough, had under-appreciated hand speed and quickness, terrific stamina, and no small amount of courage!

I get all that defending your favourites thing. Joe is dead and that is sad. But he would not have had much of an impact in today's era...

[Althugz]

Philosopher is obsessed with size and weight not about skill, technique, accuracy and natural power which is what punching power is about.

Think he's more obsessed with being a shit throwing tool frankly. Foreman with an iffy beard. For fuck sake

Maybe if George was from Eastern Europe he'd get some props

This is the impression I get from him too. Not many props are given to U.S. fighters for whatever reason. For example, I'd bet if Ali was a U.K fighter he'd use the same stats to reason why he was amazing and if Klitschko was an American, he'd use the same stats to argue how over rated he was. Strange man.

[TitoFan]

Philosopher is obsessed with size and weight not about skill, technique, accuracy and natural power which is what punching power is about.

Think he's more obsessed with being a shit throwing tool frankly. Foreman with an iffy beard. For fuck sake

Maybe if George was from Eastern Europe he'd get some props

This is the impression I get from him too. Not many props are given to U.S. fighters for whatever reason. For example, I'd bet if Ali was a U.K fighter he'd use the same stats to reason why he was amazing and if Klitschko was an American, he'd use the same stats to argue how over rated he was. Strange man.

You can't form an opinion on a fighter strictly based on Google. You gotta watch his fights and know something about the era and about the opponents he faced.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

Im a strange man?

U spend hours wiping your body down with womens blusher! LOL.

Don't cry just because we differ on opinion. Do u really want to turn the thread into a personal thing?