4 months in prison for wearing a hateful t-shirt....yay for free speech Britain!

[0james0]

The punishment system in our country is broken. Too harsh sentences at times, too generous mostly. I see some things and it really doesn't make sense.

People are getting sent to prison now for writing a message on twitter or making a Facebook group. Happening a lot.

Yet steal something, beat someone up, you'll get some community service and a small fine. No fine if you have no job.

[Xwetie]

Well I kind of feel him, I've been in the same situation!

When you feel for wearing your favorite T-shirt and you're are not allowed too you obviously shoulnd't get locked up! Even if it said something like his t-shirt did! Just take it away and rip it apart, dont make a huge deal out of it.

My situation was that I had a shirt that said; smile if you take it in the ass, And I understand why they took it away from me nowdays, It was stupid of me to even have it on to school, I thought it was fun at the time... Young and stupid!

But the guy who's on the news is just redicilous, one of thoose guys who didnt grew up.

-Xweetie

[Andre]

What do all of you pro free speech at all costs advocates, think we should do about those who use words to mentally torture others?

When young adolescents are being targeted via social media and bullied into killing themselves by their peers? We lose hundreds per country thousands of young kids per year world wide. Some people are doing it hard enough for any number of reasons at home then they are publicly blamed and shamed for all kinds of differences; they are very sensitive people already in depressive states and are being mentally tortured and pushed over the edge by free speech.

Do you think the relatives and children who read that guys tee shirt after loosing their mum, wife, sister, or own children, are being mentally tortured by him wearing it?

What should happen?

[Andre]

The punishment system in our country is broken. Too harsh sentences at times, too generous mostly. I see some things and it really doesn't make sense.

People are getting sent to prison now for writing a message on twitter or making a Facebook group. Happening a lot.

Yet steal something, beat someone up, you'll get some community service and a small fine. No fine if you have no job.

And in some cases no fine if you have a top job and declare bankruptcy after manipulating millions off to your relatives.


I think its a mess also due to the known cost of changing or rewriting written law. They all charge a fortune and would bankrupt each state if every law were to be even reevaluated, aside from actually changed.

[Andre]

Yeah Greenbeenz I know James is from England, I was talking on world wide bases we have states here in Oz that have their own laws, Same in the United states.

It is a world problem.

[Gandalf]

I think you have to be able to say what you want no matter what the cost. I have been abused a lot on here, but it is my choice to stay and ride it out. I complain about it and thankfully the good side in people realize it is just a cuntish thing to do. But at the end of the day you do have a choice. Stay or walk away.

In terms of tshirt man, when he gauges the reaction of the public, just maybe he will adjust his stance or maybe just ignore them. People can call him a dick for it, but it is only wrong when somebody then uses violence towards him. Nobody has to be his friend or pretend to smile.

In terms of social media. Again, I think your own idiocy should be punished by the verbal reaction alone. Governments should keep away. Only when you are threatening violence or murder upon someone is the government needed. If you cannot handle the site you are using then just stop. Suicide is a choice one makes, but there are typically alternatives to that.

I don't believe in governments trying to make us PC and controlled. Once you cut a tongue you have done something serious. You can barely protest freely anymore and when you can't even say that the Queen is a hideous dictator and that her offspring are all inbred, then the establishment have everything again.

[Andre]

I think you have to be able to say what you want no matter what the cost. I have been abused a lot on here, but it is my choice to stay and ride it out. I complain about it and thankfully the good side in people realize it is just a cuntish thing to do. But at the end of the day you do have a choice. Stay or walk away.

In terms of tshirt man, when he gauges the reaction of the public, just maybe he will adjust his stance or maybe just ignore them. People can call him a dick for it, but it is only wrong when somebody then uses violence towards him. Nobody has to be his friend or pretend to smile.

In terms of social media. Again, I think your own idiocy should be punished by the verbal reaction alone. Governments should keep away. Only when you are threatening violence or murder upon someone is the government needed. If you cannot handle the site you are using then just stop. Suicide is a choice one makes, but there are typically alternatives to that.

I don't believe in governments trying to make us PC and controlled. Once you cut a tongue you have done something serious. You can barely protest freely anymore and when you can't even say that the Queen is a hideous dictator and that her offspring are all inbred, then the establishment have everything again.

Free speech at any cost! Thats a very tough call.

Too many people are lazy so they blame others for the state of all our being and hide behind the free speech banner. Its a right but you know it will lead into friction and then violence.

Free speech is fine if you are mature enough to except all points view as having their right to exist, as soon as you step out into self righteousness at others expense you are heading for trouble.

[Gandalf]

My stance on this is nothing new and I have made similar arguments in the past. People like Lyle like to try and paint me into what they want, but on many issues I am either conservative or else liberal. I don't like how the discourse is set by the media and how everyone is expected to hop in line. Saying what you want just means staying true to your principles. It doesn't necessarily needs to lead to violence, but unfortunately it can and will, because some people are primitive, base, and don't have the mental capacities to respond with a sharp one liner. You have to be careful of those people and always carry a knife in your pocket or use the ignore button like Mars does with me.

One should always be free to be provocative without fear of death. It is important to raise questions and act like sandpaper. Mind you this guy was probably just being a primitive plop head, but certainly not worth any time in a cell. The UK is a sad place. A bunch of serfs getting locked up, warned and everybody seemingly a nonce. Ridiculous.

[brocktonblockbust]

ıts hard to prove there ıs a "cost" of free speech. I understand what Andre ıs sayıng about the mental torture---but where do you then draw the lıne? how can you prove mental torture? what drıves 1 person to suıcıde may not affect another person at all. How could we then apply the law evenly?

[Andre]

ıts hard to prove there ıs a "cost" of free speech. I understand what Andre ıs sayıng about the mental torture---but where do you then draw the lıne? how can you prove mental torture? what drıves 1 person to suıcıde may not affect another person at all. How could we then apply the law evenly?

Judge Judy .