Mike Tyson prime vs David tua prime

[Master]

U can try and push this issue all u want but the fact of the matter is, the tyson fight was the only fight holmes had fought in a 5 year period! Prior to his retirement he had arguably lost 3 in a row! Yes he came back and defeated a green mercer year's later but many journeymen throughout history have the odd win over a fighter they were supposed to lose to! Holmes was a very crafty old veteran that's all....

And don't think for one minute the mercer fight was a walkover. Scores were: 117-112 | 117-111 | 115-113! And the fact remain's he lost to Holy and Mcall. Other than mercer he was just a canny old veteran that could give anyone an awkward night. He held his own with tyson too up until the stoppage. He looked in terrible shape just admit it!

Let's not pretend that just because tyson defeated Holmes easier than other's may have that that automatically means tyson would have beaten Mercer, Mcall etc. Douglas or Holyfield anyone? (I do believe mcall fought 100's of round's with tyson in sparring and was never dropped!)

You are wonderful, Holmes held his own just as Audley held his own against Price before the knock out. Tyson was playing with him for all the fooling around Holmes did in the 4th round.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

You are wonderful, Holmes held his own just as Audley held his own against Price before the knock out. Tyson was playing with him for all the fooling around Holmes did in the 4th round.

The tyson fight was the only fight holmes had fought in a 5 year period! He was also aproaching 40 and prior to his retirement he had arguably lost 3 in a row! LOL. Right in the Kisser!

I relish this shit...

[El Kabong]

Not to stray off topic but Philosopher you seem to rate David Tua more highly than George Foreman...it's just something I noticed reading your posts

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

Not to stray off topic but Philosopher you seem to rate David Tua more highly than George Foreman...it's just something I noticed reading your posts

No i rate Foreman much higher than Tua in an ATG sense.

Power is a different matter though as u well know!

[El Kabong]

Not to stray off topic but Philosopher you seem to rate David Tua more highly than George Foreman...it's just something I noticed reading your posts

No i rate Foreman much higher than Tua in an ATG sense.

Power is a different matter though as u well know!

....and Tua's power, did it go up or down with his weight?

[ross]

You are wonderful, Holmes held his own just as Audley held his own against Price before the knock out. Tyson was playing with him for all the fooling around Holmes did in the 4th round.

The tyson fight was the only fight holmes had fought in a 5 year period! He was also aproaching 40 and prior to his retirement he had arguably lost 3 in a row! LOL. Right in the Kisser!

I relish this shit...

Holmes was out 18 months before he started training for Tyson.

The reason he took time off again was because he knew while Mike was about he stood no chance what so ever of getting anywhere.

Its no coincidence his comeback started AFTER Mike had lost to Douglas. Holmes looked at the division amd there was no one he feared. He knew he wouldnt have to fight Mike to get a title but he looked at the likes of Mercer, McCall, Foreman and Holyfield and thought to himself "not one of these has the skills that Mike had and ill beat them easy, even if I come in heavier and older than when I fought that amazing Mike Tyson"

[Master]

You are wonderful, Holmes held his own just as Audley held his own against Price before the knock out. Tyson was playing with him for all the fooling around Holmes did in the 4th round.

The tyson fight was the only fight holmes had fought in a 5 year period! He was also aproaching 40 and prior to his retirement he had arguably lost 3 in a row! LOL. Right in the Kisser!

I relish this shit...

You said Holmes "held his own" against Tyson, that's what made me laugh, Tyson was playing with him you muppet, he was in perfect control and never in any trouble.

[El Kabong]

I relish this shit...

You relish being thought of as a stubborn moron


Also David Tua's chin.....couldn't handle Monte Barrett's power

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

A plethora of insults and emoticons won't compensate for your butthurtness! Yes of course if tua was a natural LHW his power would diminish a little. Power to weight ration. If u don't think size has anything at all to do with power then i guess u would support the fact that i.e Kosty Tszyu's power would be as effective at let's say MW! (We have done all this on the other thread and u got humiliated!)

I will just reiterate that IMO Comparing the size of HW's today is a valid thing to do because the size disparities in the division are greater than in any other division and the size difference of a large % of the fighters competing in it today compared to i.e the 70's is clearly evident! When talking about 2 NOTED punchers as WK and GF are then the fact that wlad is 30lbs of solid muscle heavier (prime weight!) must factor in. Im comparing WK's power to GF's power and that alone!

And no you're right he can't handle mighty monte barrett's power just like he couldn't handle LL's power or IKE, Rahman, Maskaev etc's power! LOL. Pathetic. You're just sounding butthurt and petty now. Pull yourself together young lady and take your ass whooping with humility!

Just more fail on your part...As for larry and mo...Well it's demeaning even quoting them. End of discussion. No response needed as no reply forth coming. Brownie points for trying though EK.

[El Kabong]

You said that you rate Foreman higher as an ATG than Tua but "power is a different matter"...and so I asked if Tua's power went up or down with his weight as he fluctuated throughout his career starting off at a slim/svelt 201 and then beefing up to a whopping 253 at his heaviest.

Also you rate Tua's power so much you fail to recognize that his percentage of KO's is 74.14% which is much lower than George Foreman's 83.95% and Wladimir's is 81.97% (also lower than Foreman's). So that might not answer specifically "Who hit's the hardest?" but it shows a statistic that Foreman won by KO more often than Tua or Wlad.

Also when Chris Byrd was questioned about who hit him the hardest Chris Byrd without hesitation said David Tua. Granted that might support your point about Tua being a hard puncher but let's remember that Chris Byrd had fought Vitali (who weighed 244 & 1/2) , Wladimir (who weighed 238 & 241 for their fights), Ike Ibeabuchi (weighed 244 & 3/4) and David Tua only weighed 233 for his fight vs Byrd therefore telling me and everyone else that just sheer weight isn't the end all be all of power.


....class dismissed

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

You said that you rate Foreman higher as an ATG than Tua but [B]"power is a different matter"...and so I asked if Tua's power went up or down with his weight as he fluctuated throughout his career starting off at a slim/svelt 201 and then beefing up to a whopping 253 at his heaviest.

Oh if u insist..

Tua started off at HW @ 201 as a teenager but that was not his prime weight and he soon out grew that weight! I am talking mainly about a fighters prime weight. WK is around 240. Foreman is 217 and Tua's is around 230! U are implying that i am basing WK's power advantage on size and size alone which i have already dismantled u on yet u keep insisting that it is my entire argument! Doe's tua have more power at 250 than at 230? No. Why are u asking if i think tua had more power the fatter he got? Tua's fat levels went up and down not his power! Your terminology is wrong too. He didn't BEEF UP as u suggested he got lazier and fatter!
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Also you rate Tua's power so much you fail to recognize that his percentage of KO's is 74.14% which is much lower than George Foreman's 83.95% and Wladimir's is 81.97% (also lower than Foreman's). So that might not answer specifically "Who hit's the hardest?" but it shows a statistic that Foreman won by KO more often than Tua or Wlad.

Oh so now we are using stats! LOL. And now we are changing the argument and moving onto Tua V Foreman aswell. Anyway...KO percentage can be miss leading if u do not take into account the quality and the chins of the opponents faced. Wlad has consistantly fought at a higher level against better opponents. Deontay wilder has a 100% KO ratio LOL.Also is a KO% inclusive of TKO's because KO's and TKO's are not the same! I suggest u are miss leading ppl.

Who did george KO to reach that %? Then ask yourself if George had Fought IKE, LL, Byrd, Ruiz etc Would he have such a high one? If george had fought Peter, Byrd, Chagaev, Ibragimov, Brock etc Would he have such a high %? Anyone can rack up that percentage kayoing the alex stewarts of the world! Foreman had a hell of a lot of fights and 90% of them were resume fillers! Wlad has defeated way more undefeated fighters, And fought consistantly at a higher level than foreman did! Lamon brewster has a higher KO % than Foreman and Tyson i believe, what shall we read into that? Marciano and VK have the highest KO ratios if i remember correctly!

If u want stats then have WK's World title stats: Name and KO'ratio in world title fights:

·George Foreman 42.8% (3 of 7)
·Mike Tyson 62.5% (10 of 16)
·Wladimir Klitschko 77.7% (14 0f 1

Also check out there common opponents: Schulz, Martin and Young:

Opponent Wladimir Klitschko's result George Foreman's result:

·Axel Schulz KO8 MD12
·Everett Martin KO8 UD10
·Mark Young KO2 (RTD2) TKO7

This again shows superiority on wlads part! More? The easiest way to convince PPLof the superiority of Klitschko (compared to Foreman) is to mention that George Foreman has scored only 3 KOs in world championship fights 200×2, whereas Wladimir Klitschko has scored approximately 5 x as many!

More? So far 13 people survived fights with Foreman. But only 3 survived against Wlad

Also when Chris Byrd was questioned about who hit him the hardest Chris Byrd without hesitation said David Tua. Granted that might support your point about Tua being a hard puncher but let's remember that Chris Byrd had fought Vitali (who weighed 244 & 1/2) , Wladimir (who weighed 238 & 241 for their fights), Ike Ibeabuchi (weighed 244 & 3/4) and David Tua only weighed 233 for his fight vs Byrd therefore telling me and everyone else that just sheer weight isn't the end all be all of power.

Yes but not every small fighter has the gifts that byrd does! In all likely hood foreman would have lost to byrd too! Can i have the link to were he said it too please? Only weighed 233! Only! LOL. 233 of pure muscle! LOL..And yet again i never said it was the be all and end all. Why do u keep suggesting that i did? U keep re-iterating that over and over, yet show me were i said size is the deciding factor? We are talking NOTED punchers too remember! BTW the other 3 u mentioned pretty much handled byrd!!