Wladimirs resume is excellent...

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

Are u incapable of grasping an argument? It's simple, when talking about NOTED HW punchers like WK and big george then POUNDAGE must factor in as PART of the equation, otherwise NOTED punchers like julian jackson are comparable to foreman or duran is comparable to frazier! Is it sinking in yet? It's common sense when comparing the power of 2 noted HW punchers to mention that prime george was 217 and WK 245! So sorry but 200lb shavers is not comparable to i.e Lewis IMO! Great P4P puncher, Undoubtable power but not on lewis's level! Now of course there are bigger men than foreman who don't hit as hard, and PRIME foreman in a P4P sense (Im HW terms!) is probably a slightly harder puncher than WK but when asking how does GF measure up with the NOTED big hitters of recent years like Tua, Tyson, K2, Lewis etc then i say they hit harder overall! What is so wrong with suggesting i.e WK hit's harder?? He clearly does as evidenced by the stats etc i put forth and the fact that GF struggled with Morrison, Schultz, Moorer, Briggs, Savarese etc Foremans power had no impact in the 90's...which is suprising considering he focused on it massively in training! Morrison, Schultz, Moorer, Briggs, Savarese would all have ben stopped with ease by WK. I never said it was the be all & end all as u like to imply!

U also say i de-mean GF and WK by daring to compare them and then go onto compare WK to Butterbean LOL with your 'Well Valuev/Butterbean must hit harder as they are bigger' comment! U don't even know u did it! Exposed yourself right there! LOL. All the evidence and common sense points to wlad hitting harder, Common opponents, Fight stats, How many men have survived them etc Just accept K2 are better (it's not disrespectful, boxing debate has been going on for decades) foreman himself admits it! Lets ask a fighter! Briggs fought an old foreman and an old VK and says VK is the superior fighter! Thats good enough for me too...

Stop romanticising these 70's HW's, by all means appreciate them but dont put them on a pedestal they don't deserve! Jimmy young arguably beat all of them yet casual fans don't even know who he is, and in truth when u see men like Cooper and Bugner giving ali/frazier nightmares then imaging what K2 and the elite SHW'S of the past couple of decades would do! Yeah u can cite wlad's losses but he beat far better men than the 3 he lost to..

Foreman dropped SMALL joe frazier multiple times and stopped chinny norton, so what! He still didn't KO frazier! Sanders brutalised wlad, put rahman down twice and arguably put VK down too! Do we ever hear his name mentioned in those circles? No. Why? Because everything to do with this era is overrated apparently and all that went before are demio-gods and anyone who dares to challenge that is labelled irrational!

I think the real problem here is the fact that i have destroyed u both in this thread, and u don't like it so to save face u have decided to pursue a personal vendetta in order to discredit me. LOL. This place is like some little clique with only one train of thought...

Go watch green wlad school chris byrd then go watch PRIME foreman get his as beat by 34-19 Jimmy 'A poor mans chris byrd' Young! My argument is tight. Your argument is just butthurt diatribe! Tua, Tyson, Lewis, K2 etc hit harder IMO! Holy's power is even comparable too! Hell even cooney and sanders have an argument here! If u think any of those men don't hit harder than GF then drop the attitude and say so.

U also say 'do i have any concrete evidence' well i think my argument that i put forth is better than your's! Of course it is all subjective and i could equally flip that with 'Do u have any facts to say george DEFINITELY hit harder?'... And another thing "George Foreman is an ATG puncher BUT" ..... and?? What is wrong with debating a boxer in a boxing forum? It is simply my opinion u don't have to agree, i think i have made a good enough case, but no nothing is ever definitive unless we stick em all in a lab and test em like rats! U could apply your logic to any issue in boxing and never get CONCRETE evidence, thats what we are here for to debate and put forth arguments! Sense of persepective mate, get one! And get off the fence u fookin liberal democrat ...LOL.