Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
Quote Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing View Post
What do you think Romney can do that Obama hasn't done? What is this five point plan you speak of?

Also, too. You don't think government is capable of doing anything better than the private sector. We've suffered a massive recession/economic collapse over the last few years and you expect government to solve this problem? How? And how can you believe that government should be able to solve the biggest economic collapse since the Depression in four years but they can't do anything else better than the private sector?

These questions also are to Mars Ax and anybody else attacking Obama and thinking Romney has all the answers.
The 5 Point Plan is: Energy Independence, Proper Education/Training, More Trade that's Beneficial to America, Cutting the Deficet, and Championing Small Business. There's a number of points he goes over to say how he will accomplish these things, but that's the jist of it. I would have listed them but I am not of the opinion that you're interested in facts.....if you were you wouldn't side with Obama like you do.

OK Mr. More Government....if Government can't solve this economic issue then why do you support a President who thinks Government has all the solutions? All Mitt Romney said he was going to do is to take the handcuffs off of small businesses, he's going to allow them to do business with less oppressive regulation. But hey maybe we need another Stimulus huh? I mean it worked SOOOOO well for us.

Romney has a plan, Obama doesn't.....or does he Kirkland, perhaps YOU can tell us what Obama won't? Perhaps you can tell us how Barack Obama plans to turn around this economy because I certainly didn't hear any ideas from him last night all I heard was him bitching about Romney's ideas.
Ah, the five point plan.

"Energy independence"

This is a perfect example of the GOP using a bullshit argument to win votes from clueless people who think that America can solve its energy problem/reduce the price of gasoline by domestic drilling. . What point number one is really about is allowing drilling in enviromentally protected areas like northern Alaska. But even if you allow drilling in places the oil industry want to drill, it'll only increase oil production by about a million barrels a day and take ten years to get there. In the meantime America's oil consumption will go up five or million barrels. And oil is a global product with the price set by a cartel (OPEC) who would just cut production to keep the global price the same anyway even if America did manage to produce vast new oil supplies. So because the electorate is made up of a bunch of know-nothings the debate about energy in America is at second grade level.

Education.

Romney’s budget plan could cut more than $115 billion from the Department of Education over the next 10 years, cutting K-12 and special education funding by nearly $5 billion and leaving nearly 10 million students with $1,000 less each in Pell Grant funding. He plans to voucherize America’s public education system while offering no plan to fix failing public schools. And how does this create jobs over the next four/eight years exactly?


Trade that's beneficial to A,erica.

What is this, trade agreements or posturing by bashing Cjina? If it's trade agreements then they benefit America by exporting jobs to Asia and benefit US corporations by them not having to pay US labour rates. Both parties make these agreements and so they're both anti-US jobs. How can you complain about Clinton signing NAFTA but Ronmey is suddenly creating jobs by signing NAFTA-like agreements?

It it's pretending to bash China __

When Obama took action against the Chinese dumping cheap tyres in America Romney called it "bad for our nation and our workers." Obama and McCain played the same anti-China card at the last election and they didn't mean it either. No US president is ever going to prevent US corporations -- the people who put them in the White House -- from making massive profits by manufacturing in China. If Romney wins he'll make one single gesture about Chinese dumping of goods -- Obama did tyres and Bush did steel -- and then that'll be it.

Cutting the deficit.

The only president in living memory who cut government spending is Obama. Romney's tax plan will add five trillion to the deficit/debt over the next ten years and he's also going to give the Pentagon an extra two trillion they didn't even ask for. How is this going to cut the debt? What Romney will do is do the tax cuts without ending any of the loopholes which will explode the deficit.

Small businesses.

There have been eighteen separate tax cuts for small businesses under Obama but it's not really helping them. What they need are more customers with money to spend. And what's all this new regulation that Obama has imposed? This is just more bollocks.

Basically it's just five talking points to fool the rubes and Romney clearly knows his market, doesn't he?

As far as having a plan neither guy has a plan. And that's because there's very little either guy can do. The biggest thing either of them could do is allow mass renegotiation of underwater/bad mortgages but the banks won't let either prez do that. Other than that we've just got to wait for the debt overhang to subside enough so that households start spending again (70% of the economy is consumer spending) but until they make a big hole in their debt households aren't going to spend like they used to :