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1. Pay attention. What came before Vitali's comeback is irrelevant to my point.

2. The ratings from different sanctioning bodies throw up different opponents? That is EXACTLY the point i've been making. If you are limited to a certain amount of opponents per division, how can you ever establish yourself as THE best? You can't. Unless you defeat your independently recognised closest challenger.

3. This is a real simple way to understand this - If Haye beat Wlad he would be THE best heavyweight on the planet, right? Who would Haye have been expected to fight next? Vitali!!! Why? Because Vitali is the next best.

Wlad has a luxury that basically no other fighter in history has. He's a good "champion." But his brother is a major factor in his career.
1. You posted like Wlad wasn't being an active Champion when he defended his titles 3 times in 2008.

2. Nobody is going to argue against the fact that there are too many sanctioning bodies, too many belts, etc. But the Klitschko's stay active and fight roughly twice a year if not more.

3. You've conceeded your point, you just admitted Wlad is THE BEST HEAVYWEIGHT IN THE DIVISION. Now surely you meant to alledge that "He'll never fight the 2nd best heavyweight in the division" but that's erroneous because the 2nd best heavyweight won't fight the #1 either so they blank each other out and what are we left with? We're left with Wlad as #1, Vitali as #1a and everybody else waaaaaaaaaaay down the line at #2-whatever



We're left without a true definitive champion.

Boxing is not tag team. It is not doubles. You can't claim credit for your partners success. The Klits are individuals. Even you, Wlad's biggest fan, demean his accomplishments by refering to HIM as "the Klitschko's"