Just as well we all put in and won or it would be a humorless world. They aren't very jokey at the best of times.
Just as well we all put in and won or it would be a humorless world. They aren't very jokey at the best of times.
Quite simply all of us. Think of the responses and where you'll walk tomorrow doing the most common things. Brits, Yanks, Aussies, Russian, Philippines on and on and on...and a boat load of CanadiansSeriously everyone payed a toll, Brits and American at the forfront throughout no doubt. Also a great point in Russia is always brought up, the what if and hypothetical... lets say Japan doesn't declare war of the U.S. They-we also had a two front conflict going. WWII was not confined to one theater and certainly not a singular victor.
In respect of all the brave people who lost their lives , the simple answer to you your question is -
The allied forces won the war.
To be specific would be very disrespectful to those who fell.
The U.S. won the war against Japan hands down. In Europe it was the USSR, Great Britain, and the U.S. in that order. 80% of all Germens killed was on the Eastern front. Great Britain fought Germany alone for 2 years before they had any help. True the U.S. supplies were a great help. By the time the U.S. set foot on Europe in July of 43. The Battles of El Alamein, Stalingrad, and Kursk were already over. I will say that the U.S. and Royal Air force played a major roll in the war. My father and all his brothers as well as my father in law fought during the war. I'm not trying to get people mad. Just telling the truth. People in America believe we won the war all by ourselves. These are the same people who believe there is a differents between Obama and Romney. God help us.
I'm pretty skeptical that w/o US entry into the European theater that the UK makes it successfully into western Europe by D-Day if ever.
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In terms of overall sacrifice and human manpower Russia gets the nod, that's not to say that the U.S./Canada and Britain didn't make huge contributions, especially in regards to logistics and or resources. Keep in mind too, as far as "winning" WWII, unlike Russia, the U.S./Canada and Britain et al, had Japan to deal with as well as Germany.
Im thinking more on this and thank God for America . and their brave young men who fought the Japanese out on the waters of the Philippines etc as well as everywhere else.These boys were 18 to 20 something and gave it their all. All for our freedom at their loss.
The ones out in the Pacific were the bravest of the brave and they saw in front of them a fleet of ships that outnumbered them near on three to one something like 27 ships verses 7 ships and the sizes were against them also with leading the Japanese craft at three times the literal size of their little destroyers. They were caught off guard by a great Japanese ruse and most of the American fleet had sailed out after a fleet of Japanese vessels and left the port to a skeleton crew of small craft to guard it. Then the 2nd Japanese fleet sailed in from a different route from behind islands through narrow straights etc. These brave men in seven or so small destroyers had weapons that were three times less the gauge of the Japanese craft they were facing and the Japanese were firing at them for about 6 miniutes without return fire before they could get into range. They knew but still went for it. The Japanese made a mistake and had shells that were amour piercing and not exploding on impact so they rained on and around the Americans as they came into range punching holes clean through our vessels but the Americans kept going and got into range and shot torpedoes at the formation even after seeing their own lead destroyer take massive hits and loose all the towers off its decks etc the rest went for it too and got into range and fired torpedoes into the lead vessels. They saved the port saved a massive loss and prevented them getting to fuel and oil etc.
This sort of bravery happened in every theater all over the globe God bless them all,cause if it wasnt for them, we would all be slaves in a terrible world for us but a better one for Germany and her allies.
So what ever you think if you live free from oppression.. God bless the Americans that helped you maintain it and continue to do so.
We wouldnt have won without them.
Last edited by Andre; 10-21-2012 at 10:14 PM.
@Andre,
I was a U.S. Air Force brat who was born in Japan in 1948. The Japanese were fanatical soldiers, I grew up hearing about and studying them. The turning point in the war with Japan was at Midway and the destruction of much of the Japanese Navy. Were it not for the A-bomb however, which forced Japan to surrender, the war could have dragged on for years.
Thank-you for showing your appreciation and gratitude for American involvement, it's nice to hear every now and then. I had the personal fortune to have grown up around and/or known many of those WWII Vets, who fought in the Pacific or all the way from Normandy to the Battle of the Bulge, and into Germany. Including my father, and I don't think there was ever a finer group of men and role models on the face of the Earth.
Last edited by Mars_ax; 10-22-2012 at 03:22 AM.
Thats cool.
My Grandfather on my dads side was a rear gunner in a Lancaster bomber and my other one was a truck driver in Saudi,who died later in life from silicosis of the lungs from all the dust he breathed. (which is ironic considering all of the stonemasons in the family were through my dads side and thats what they recon gets us eventually but it hasnt got one of us yet.![]()
My dad was a lifer in the USAF and among other things flew in bombing missions over Germany during WWII, he retired somewhere around 1965 after 20+ years of service. I can recall him putting his dress uniform on a few times a year or 2 before he retired for parades and such, it was a humbling experience seeing all the decorations and metals. Dad passed away in 1982, the military had taken it's toll, he was only 62.
I joined the USAF in 1968 and my wife joined the Navy in 1972 (before we got married) we're both Vietnam era vets, but neither one of us actually went to 'Nam. (I can't say I miss going)![]()
I think Hitler blew it more than anyone else won it. Hitler really didn't need to declare war on America and he really didn't need to invade Russia at the point he did. He had a peace treaty drawn up and the Soviets were really not ready for war as the initial results proved. Russia was not a serious threat to Germany at the time. Hitler seemed like such an impatient man and in such a hurry to carry out his mental ambitions and as a consequence it was too much too soon and all the elements he was raging against joined together and as a team picked him apart.
There are different ways of measuring who won, but I don't think it really matters as every ally played a significant role. The Brits were the first to mount a meaningful resistance, the Russians sacrificed tens of millions, and America was able to kick start its military industrial complex.
The lesson learned from the Hitler experience was that you need to dominate in a different way to that employed by Hitler. No less extreme, but to carefully pinpoint where you will invade, apply economic force, pretend that you are the good guy. In reality it is just a more subtle version of fascism.
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