Romney vs. Obama Debate - Part II on Tuesday - let's score it!

[Youngblood]

lol oh I know. While the whine may sound different depending on party, it will be no less loud or hilarious. I noticed it quite a bit from the Dems at 538 with his polling, whom at one time had the election as a nearly 90% for Obama, until the first debate. Was a lot of gloating going on, and then the first debate hit and the numbers and probabilities began tanking, as up till then they were all laughing at Repubs and their disbelief. Well, they immediately began questioning his methods and saying he was now nuts because it no longer gave them the comfort they once had. Turned into the very creatures they were mocking.

Anyway, i'm just trolling a bit, having some fun as the emotions begin to boil to the surface with the date closing in. Our political system is no better here. It's rather, kinda boring as hell.

[VictorCharlie]

The GOP will do a lot of hand wringing and doom/gloom spiels if they lose but I think much of the party realizes what a weak field they had to choose from and that Romney isn't really a strong conservative. The President is much more of a messiah type icon for the Dems. The truth is if Romney wins he does it more due to the lack of success of Obama than his own potential. Pretty similar to how the current President got elected off of the anti-Bush momentum.

[TitoFan]

The GOP will do a lot of hand wringing and doom/gloom spiels if they lose but I think much of the party realizes what a weak field they had to choose from and that Romney isn't really a strong conservative. The President is much more of a messiah type icon for the Dems. The truth is if Romney wins he does it more due to the lack of success of Obama than his own potential. Pretty similar to how the current President got elected off of the anti-Bush momentum.

It IS sad how lately the elections seem to be more about getting "so-and-so" to lose, rather than "yeah, he's pretty good... but my candidate's better." Sad reflection of the times we live in.

[Mars_ax]

The GOP will do a lot of hand wringing and doom/gloom spiels if they lose but I think much of the party realizes what a weak field they had to choose from and that Romney isn't really a strong conservative. The President is much more of a messiah type icon for the Dems. The truth is if Romney wins he does it more due to the lack of success of Obama than his own potential. Pretty similar to how the current President got elected off of the anti-Bush momentum.

It IS sad how lately the elections seem to be more about getting "so-and-so" to lose, rather than "yeah, he's pretty good... but my candidate's better." Sad reflection of the times we live in.

Isn't that pretty much how American politics has always been? It's the 2 party system, one side wins and the other side is pissed off for 4 years.

[TitoFan]

The GOP will do a lot of hand wringing and doom/gloom spiels if they lose but I think much of the party realizes what a weak field they had to choose from and that Romney isn't really a strong conservative. The President is much more of a messiah type icon for the Dems. The truth is if Romney wins he does it more due to the lack of success of Obama than his own potential. Pretty similar to how the current President got elected off of the anti-Bush momentum.

It IS sad how lately the elections seem to be more about getting "so-and-so" to lose, rather than "yeah, he's pretty good... but my candidate's better." Sad reflection of the times we live in.

Isn't that pretty much how American politics has always been? It's the 2 party system, one side wins and the other side is pissed off for 4 years.

Yeah, but ideally it should be about wanting your guy to win more than your wanting the other guy to lose.

[Kirkland Laing]

The GOP will do a lot of hand wringing and doom/gloom spiels if they lose but I think much of the party realizes what a weak field they had to choose from and that Romney isn't really a strong conservative. The President is much more of a messiah type icon for the Dems. The truth is if Romney wins he does it more due to the lack of success of Obama than his own potential. Pretty similar to how the current President got elected off of the anti-Bush momentum.

If Romney was actually advocating strong conservative policies, the kind he was advocating back during the primaries, he'd be losing by ten points plus.

[Kirkland Laing]

Back to Romney's plan.

Romney's plan is the top five things that focus groups tell the pollsters they want. Cheap gas, jobs, cut the deficit and so on. That's it. And it's just five bullet points, there's no actual plan past the bullet points. On even casual examination the "plan" falls apart but it doesn't even get that from the media. The entire campaign on both sides is operating at fifth grade level, you didn't build that, Benghazi shows Obama is soft on terror and so on. The real issues never get discussed because neither side wants to address them.

The real issues are the massive debt overhang, the median wage not having gone up since Reagan and all the benefits of economic growth going to top earners and corporations. Without these issues being reversed America's economy isn't going to do very well in the long term.

Obama's real plan is to continue the system we have whereby US labour rates are being arbitraged down to Asian labour rates (currently a dollar a day to as much as a dollar an hour for unskilled labour, a couple of dollars an hour for skilled labour and six dollars and change an hour for college graduates) on an ongoing basis and US corporate profits are maximised while government programmes that hold America's middle class together, Medicare, social security etc have large cuts made to them.

Romney's real plan is to turn America into a giant Foxconn dormitory and take an axe to Medicare and social security, basically handing them over to the private sector. An express train to the third world in other words while Obama's train runs a lot slower and makes lots of stops along the way.

[El Kabong]

If Romney was actually advocating strong conservative policies, the kind he was advocating back during the primaries, he'd be losing by ten points plus.

Yeah, Obama tells the truth 100% of the time and never varies...just like on Libya it was a "Terrorist Attack" from day one and NEVER changed....never changed.....it simply never changed. It wasn't because of a mean video against Islam or whatever, it wasn't a spontaneous attack or anything, it was terrorism right





And what does Barry have planned for his second term? Shouldn't we be hearing about that by now Or has this term been so strong he doesn't have to do anything but shout down Romney

[Kirkland Laing]

If Romney was actually advocating strong conservative policies, the kind he was advocating back during the primaries, he'd be losing by ten points plus.

Yeah, Obama tells the truth 100% of the time and never varies...just like on Libya it was a "Terrorist Attack" from day one and NEVER changed....never changed.....it simply never changed. It wasn't because of a mean video against Islam or whatever, it wasn't a spontaneous attack or anything, it was terrorism right





And what does Barry have planned for his second term? Shouldn't we be hearing about that by now Or has this term been so strong he doesn't have to do anything but shout down Romney

The Libya thing is the perfect example of the fifth grade level of the election campaigns. It's really not important at all. There was an attack on a consulate, some people got killed, there was a confused response by the government in its public announcements about the attack in the days after it happened. So fucking what? It's not really important in the great scheme of things, is it?

And I already told you what Obama and Romney have planned for America. You can either take the slow train or the express train to Third World Central and you appear desperate to get a ticket on the express.

[El Kabong]

The Libya thing is the perfect example of the fifth grade level of the election campaigns. It's really not important at all. There was an attack on a consulate, some people got killed, there was a confused response by the government in its public announcements about the attack in the days after it happened. So fucking what? It's not really important in the great scheme of things, is it?

And I already told you what Obama and Romney have planned for America. You can either take the slow train or the express train to Third World Central and you appear desperate to get a ticket on the express.

When you're "in charge" you MAY want to understand what the fuck is going on or at least seem like you know. You also want to swiftly move to remedy the issues....otherwise you're not a good leader now are you?

Yes of course, you know ALL Kirkland why do we even ask questions anymore we've got you here to berate us with your version of the truth which is by no means skewed to one side or the other. Again if we're going to end up in the same place anyway why are you so adamant about electing Obama? If choice A gets us to a bad place and choice B gets us there quicker then what is the difference? Just the amount of time Well fucking hell if that's it and there's 0 reversing the effects until we've hit rock bottom then fucking do it quick and get it over with.....oh but I suppose there's a smart ass reply to that as well, I eagerly await it.

[Kirkland Laing]

The Libya thing is the perfect example of the fifth grade level of the election campaigns. It's really not important at all. There was an attack on a consulate, some people got killed, there was a confused response by the government in its public announcements about the attack in the days after it happened. So fucking what? It's not really important in the great scheme of things, is it?

And I already told you what Obama and Romney have planned for America. You can either take the slow train or the express train to Third World Central and you appear desperate to get a ticket on the express.

When you're "in charge" you MAY want to understand what the fuck is going on or at least seem like you know. You also want to swiftly move to remedy the issues....otherwise you're not a good leader now are you?

Yes of course, you know ALL Kirkland why do we even ask questions anymore we've got you here to berate us with your version of the truth which is by no means skewed to one side or the other. Again if we're going to end up in the same place anyway why are you so adamant about electing Obama? If choice A gets us to a bad place and choice B gets us there quicker then what is the difference? Just the amount of time Well fucking hell if that's it and there's 0 reversing the effects until we've hit rock bottom then fucking do it quick and get it over with.....oh but I suppose there's a smart ass reply to that as well, I eagerly await it.

Like I said. There was an attack on a consulte. Some people got killed. There was a confused response by the government for a few days. The government isn't ever going to react perfectly to every single situation that occurs, look at the Bush administration for instance. It'll be some time before we again see an administration that incompetent.

Again, I'm not adamant about electing Obama. You keep saying that but it isn't true. I can find entertainment no matter which one wins.