The Terrible Hypocrisy of England and America ın Geopolitics

[Gandalf]

My passport is the property of the Queen and thus she is a cunt and the UK should not pretend to be any different than Iran.

[Gandalf]

UN sanctions on the UK for having an unelected leader (both monarch and Prime Minister), for having nuclear weapons, for illegal wars, for not allowing free speech, for kettling peaceful protesters, for stripping away public assets decade after decade!

Stop the enslavement of the country that I can only support from afar on a boxing site for fear of having to run and hide in an embassy.

Orwell is alive and well in the state that I can no longer call home. It's a shame really 'coz the food is jolly nice there.

Die horrid Queen die, as you are all that is wrong in a devoid world of heartless privatisation, corporate manipulation and soul dead strangulation. To call the Queen a cunt is not a crime, a crime is the theft of land that you acquire through force, murder and oppression. Die vile Queen die!

[Beanz]

My passport is the property of the Queen and thus she is a cunt and the UK should not pretend to be any different than Iran.

That is a very colonial and patronizing way to refer to Iranians. Do you think that Iranian women feel the same way? It also betrays a breathtaking arrogance and quite a teenage naivety if you really think that is the case.

[Gandalf]

What are you talking about? Just as I can be called a cunt or a wanker, so can the Queen. It isn't an attack on an entire gender. It is an attack on an individual and rancid person and all she represents and she is rancid because she represents that power gained by violence and force is acceptable. It is unjust and thus she is a cunt. She needs a boot up her wrinkly disgusting behind.

In many respects the UK has similarities with Iran. It is quite true. You cannot say what you want, you cannot elect who you want, you have no choice when it comes to head of state, you cannot protest freely without police brutality. What makes Britain worse is that it actually invades other countries illegally and actually has nuclear weapons.

It is all relative, but there are easy parallels to make with that of a horrible country like Iran. Many differences too, but significant similarities.

[Beanz]

Miles at times, in fact most of the time, you are simply incapable of rationality.

Saudi Arabia
China
Belarus
Turkmenistan
Uzbekistan
Burma
North Korea
Somalia

I suppose they are all comparable to the U.S and U.K ?

Your infantile hatred of the queen is quite fascistic in as much as despite being in the minority you expect the majority of British people to ignore the fact that they enjoy having a Monarch whose own power is in reality extremely limited and become a republic to suit your own despotic tendencies. The Queen for all her faults probably does more hours of work a day than you do despite like you being an ancient old woman.

[Gandalf]

My thinking is quite rational, it is just that it will not fit your world view. You listed some countries there, but I don't think I compared the UK to any of those countries. I chose Iran and Iran because the UK and US in particular are going after it with sanctions. Now forgive me if I am wrong, but Israel is the only nation in the region that invades others regularly, has the bomb, and illegally steals land. Now why are we not going after Israel? It is because, like Brockton says, we are a hypocritical bunch of gits. It is glaring, it is obvious and it is outrageous and yet we are all expected to go along with it and not batter an eyelid.

See in some respects we are much worse than somewhere like Iran. We do full on ignore the UN and murder tens of thousands of people. Seemingly the Queen as head of state agreed to the bloodshed too. Did most of us agree with the war? No. Did a million protest? Yes. Did the power brokers listen? No. Iran is nothing compared to us and what we do to others. As a regime they are deplorable, but in many respects so are we and you can compare these things.

You say I am in the minority concerning the monarchy, but is that surprising considering that the press is sycophantic in its coverage of the Royals? A free and open debate on the subject has only ever really been avoided or marginalised. The only reason the monarchy toned down its powers was because it was out otherwise. We should have done what the French did because on a moral level inherited power and status is an abhorrent concept.

It is what the North Koreans of this world are into and would we say that is any good? Just because the British Royal family presents itself with a cuddly image doesn't mean we should be fooled. If they should have private education then we all should. If they have butlers then we all should. Otherwise, they are just abusing their positions of inherited status. If you represent the people then you should be one of the people.

It doesn't matter how much she or I works. I worked my way for everything I have, I had no silver spoons and I will need to always work just to make sure I don't need to jump off a cliff when poverty eats away my earnings. She doesn't need to make that struggle, a struggle most of us have to make and more and more so these days. A monarchy makes a mockery of the grit that people have to go through, the sacrifices that have to be made. Prince William and Prince Harry for instance, these gits wouldn't know the meaning of a part time vegetable store job or a paper round, of living in a tough estate, of anything that the rest of us have known and been through. There is no moral justification for them having it easier than we do and on the basis of birth alone.

I hate the Royal family and there is nothing despotic in thinking so. They are against everything I stand for. Every nation of forward thinkers eradicates their Royal family.

[Youngblood]

I'd just like to step in and point out that Canada is often forgotten about in these most despicable country polls. Far too often we are written off as that group of super nice, but cold and bland people of the apology who reside somewhere between the evil empire and where penguins fuck.

Caricatures of some snappy-headed, tuque wearing, fart loving do-gooders that proudly can't wait to come in and try to clean up the messes of the world. I'd like to say we lead in this area, but the truth is we don't actually ever lead in anything. We just follow extremely well. So well, that we have built-in instant hindsight, thus the ability to make apologies for things in real time as they are unfolding; for not only our shortcomings and wrongs, but hell, even yours.

And for that, we are sorry.

Also, if you take a good look at our homegrown human rights record we kind of suck. In particular with the treatment of our native indian population.

[Gandalf]

I don't think anybody thinks of Canada as nice, just irrelevant. A country that has little influence or power anywhere. A country that is even now ruled by a hideous old bitch from England. You guys seem nice enough, but you don't matter too much politically.

[Youngblood]

no, you are.

The below message is re quoted for both awesomeness, new page and Miles' irrelevance.

I'd just like to step in and point out that Canada is often forgotten about in these most despicable country polls. Far too often we are written off as that group of super nice, but cold and bland people of the apology who reside somewhere between the evil empire and where penguins fuck.

Caricatures of some snappy-headed, tuque wearing, fart loving do-gooders that proudly can't wait to come in and try to clean up the messes of the world. I'd like to say we lead in this area, but the truth is we don't actually ever lead in anything. We just follow extremely well. So well, that we have built-in instant hindsight, thus the ability to make apologies for things in real time as they are unfolding; for not only our shortcomings and wrongs, but hell, even yours.

And for that, we are sorry.

Also, if you take a good look at our homegrown human rights record we kind of suck. In particular with the treatment of our native indian population.

[El Kabong]

miles, you're a habitual shit stirrer when it comes to discussing the United States. If the US does something good what do we see and hear from you? Either nothing or "they should have done that sooner" or "they're only doing that because _____".....just give it up, we get it you hate the United States and everyone that lives here is evil and would murder just as soon as look at you....enough already. we get it that you have a passport and have chosen to live in South Korea and you hate England and being English and how you'd really love to be some truly oppressed person but you're not and you're resentful because you're not and so you hate the US & England for the simple fact that they DON'T oppress you, you see their indifference towards you as some sort of slight and that's why you're a nutjob.


Go have some beers and chill the hell out, PLEASE

[Althugz]

My thinking is quite rational, it is just that it will not fit your world view. You listed some countries there, but I don't think I compared the UK to any of those countries. I chose Iran and Iran because the UK and US in particular are going after it with sanctions. Now forgive me if I am wrong, but Israel is the only nation in the region that invades others regularly, has the bomb, and illegally steals land. Now why are we not going after Israel? It is because, like Brockton says, we are a hypocritical bunch of gits. It is glaring, it is obvious and it is outrageous and yet we are all expected to go along with it and not batter an eyelid.

See in some respects we are much worse than somewhere like Iran. We do full on ignore the UN and murder tens of thousands of people. Seemingly the Queen as head of state agreed to the bloodshed too. Did most of us agree with the war? No. Did a million protest? Yes. Did the power brokers listen? No. Iran is nothing compared to us and what we do to others. As a regime they are deplorable, but in many respects so are we and you can compare these things.

You say I am in the minority concerning the monarchy, but is that surprising considering that the press is sycophantic in its coverage of the Royals? A free and open debate on the subject has only ever really been avoided or marginalised. The only reason the monarchy toned down its powers was because it was out otherwise. We should have done what the French did because on a moral level inherited power and status is an abhorrent concept.

It is what the North Koreans of this world are into and would we say that is any good? Just because the British Royal family presents itself with a cuddly image doesn't mean we should be fooled. If they should have private education then we all should. If they have butlers then we all should. Otherwise, they are just abusing their positions of inherited status. If you represent the people then you should be one of the people.

It doesn't matter how much she or I works. I worked my way for everything I have, I had no silver spoons and I will need to always work just to make sure I don't need to jump off a cliff when poverty eats away my earnings. She doesn't need to make that struggle, a struggle most of us have to make and more and more so these days. A monarchy makes a mockery of the grit that people have to go through, the sacrifices that have to be made. Prince William and Prince Harry for instance, these gits wouldn't know the meaning of a part time vegetable store job or a paper round, of living in a tough estate, of anything that the rest of us have known and been through. There is no moral justification for them having it easier than we do and on the basis of birth alone.

I hate the Royal family and there is nothing despotic in thinking so. They are against everything I stand for. Every nation of forward thinkers eradicates their Royal family.

Miles,you are awesome. So true and spot on with people calling you irrational because your views do not fit their world view. I would argue that they're truly the ones incapable of rational thinking. We are fooled into thinking we have a "democracy" and "freedom" which is the worst part.

At least the other countries most of our population has such disdain for don't make any qualms about their position. In a country where 90p out of every £1 you earn goes to tax it's laughable that so many can smugly find fault in the practices of some of the infamous, so-called, 3rd world countries. I guess it makes us feel better.

Wars that we jump into to "liberate" the people and save their "human rights"? Yet if we were such benevolent souls, wouldn't we save millions more people by providing simple food and water to people that are starving in the world? Would be a heck of a lot cheaper than war, no? Less deaths too? Ah but I guess that's not as profitable as war.

Oh, but when another country wants to save their people from certain genocide (the Cyprus problem), it is branded an "illegal invasion"? Get the fuck outta here..It offends me every time I see my family's home, North Cyprus, not recognised as a country basically telling me that my mother should not exist right now and that Turkey should have let her be killed as part of the "ethnic cleansing" that was going on in Cyprus at the time. That was apparently perfectly "legal".

There really isn't enough space to list the U.K and U.S. hypocrisy and I commend those of you who have managed to put aside their allegiances to swallow the bitter but quite obvious truth.

[brocktonblockbust]

It never felt bitter to me---i enjoy telling the truth regardless of my passport. Blind allegiance to none.

[El Kabong]

Al, the United States is NOT a Democracy it is a Constitutional Republic. In the Pledge of Allegiance you don't say "To the Democracy for which it stands" you say "To the Republic for which it stands".


miles Socialism doesn't work....never has, never will

[Beanz]

My thinking is quite rational, it is just that it will not fit your world view. You listed some countries there, but I don't think I compared the UK to any of those countries. I chose Iran and Iran because the UK and US in particular are going after it with sanctions. Now forgive me if I am wrong, but Israel is the only nation in the region that invades others regularly, has the bomb, and illegally steals land. Now why are we not going after Israel? It is because, like Brockton says, we are a hypocritical bunch of gits. It is glaring, it is obvious and it is outrageous and yet we are all expected to go along with it and not batter an eyelid.

See in some respects we are much worse than somewhere like Iran. We do full on ignore the UN and murder tens of thousands of people. Seemingly the Queen as head of state agreed to the bloodshed too. Did most of us agree with the war? No. Did a million protest? Yes. Did the power brokers listen? No. Iran is nothing compared to us and what we do to others. As a regime they are deplorable, but in many respects so are we and you can compare these things.

You say I am in the minority concerning the monarchy, but is that surprising considering that the press is sycophantic in its coverage of the Royals? A free and open debate on the subject has only ever really been avoided or marginalised. The only reason the monarchy toned down its powers was because it was out otherwise. We should have done what the French did because on a moral level inherited power and status is an abhorrent concept.

It is what the North Koreans of this world are into and would we say that is any good? Just because the British Royal family presents itself with a cuddly image doesn't mean we should be fooled. If they should have private education then we all should. If they have butlers then we all should. Otherwise, they are just abusing their positions of inherited status. If you represent the people then you should be one of the people.

It doesn't matter how much she or I works. I worked my way for everything I have, I had no silver spoons and I will need to always work just to make sure I don't need to jump off a cliff when poverty eats away my earnings. She doesn't need to make that struggle, a struggle most of us have to make and more and more so these days. A monarchy makes a mockery of the grit that people have to go through, the sacrifices that have to be made. Prince William and Prince Harry for instance, these gits wouldn't know the meaning of a part time vegetable store job or a paper round, of living in a tough estate, of anything that the rest of us have known and been through. There is no moral justification for them having it easier than we do and on the basis of birth alone.

I hate the Royal family and there is nothing despotic in thinking so. They are against everything I stand for. Every nation of forward thinkers eradicates their Royal family.

Miles,you are awesome. So true and spot on with people calling you irrational because your views do not fit their world view. I would argue that they're truly the ones incapable of rational thinking. We are fooled into thinking we have a "democracy" and "freedom" which is the worst part.

At least the other countries most of our population has such disdain for don't make any qualms about their position. In a country where 90p out of every £1 you earn goes to tax it's laughable that so many can smugly find fault in the practices of some of the infamous, so-called, 3rd world countries. I guess it makes us feel better.

Wars that we jump into to "liberate" the people and save their "human rights"? Yet if we were such benevolent souls, wouldn't we save millions more people by providing simple food and water to people that are starving in the world? Would be a heck of a lot cheaper than war, no? Less deaths too? Ah but I guess that's not as profitable as war.

Oh, but when another country wants to save their people from certain genocide (the Cyprus problem), it is branded an "illegal invasion"? Get the fuck outta here..It offends me every time I see my family's home, North Cyprus, not recognised as a country basically telling me that my mother should not exist right now and that Turkey should have let her be killed as part of the "ethnic cleansing" that was going on in Cyprus at the time. That was apparently perfectly "legal".

There really isn't enough space to list the U.K and U.S. hypocrisy and I commend those of you who have managed to put aside their allegiances to swallow the bitter but quite obvious truth.

This is all very nice and la dee dah but bears no resemblance to reality. You can not so easily dismiss the human rights of hundreds of thousands of people and the countless lives saved by actions taken in places like Iraq, and the Balkans, by then trying to infer that these Wars are somehow profitable. Ethnic cleansing is reprehensible and should be challenged anywhere. And yes there really is enough space to list the U.K and U.S hypocrisy right here in this thread, so why not delineate it and enlighten us, or is it just a fuzzy feeling that you share with Miles? Propoganda and poppycock. That is the sum of much of Miles so called facts.

You do not have to be a Royalist to see the absurdity of Miles bemoaning Harry and William being gits because of not having done a part time vegetable store job or paper round. Never mind the fact that despite losing their mother in horrific circumstances* the Duke is a RAF search and rescue helicopter pilot and Harry is a serving member of the armed forces recently undergoing active service in Afghanistan. While Miles teaches for a few hours a week. So who is making the bigger sacrifice?

Should Britain and the U.S have averted their eyes after Saddams Stalinist secret police lead away and killed 200 000 people? Should we have ignored him killing 5000 Kurds in one chemical attack? Or should we have just listened to the misinformed marchers and said sorry people of Iraq and Kuwait but we dare not intervene for fear of being seen as profiteers? Or does that not fit your world view ?


* Do not for one minute think that I am in any way part of the weird Diana cult that seemed to spring up after her death but the fact remains the accident of the Princes birth would have made there loss even more strange and bewildering for them, happening as it did under a huge spotlight.