Wladimirs resume is excellent...

[El Kabong]

I brought up Valuev & Butterbean to prove how fucking ridiculous your argument is that just because Wlad is 240+ and Foreman in his prime was about 220 it doesn't mean Wlad hits harder because if it was 100% about weight like you base your dumbass argument on then Valuev & Butterbean WOULD be the hardest punchers seeing how they outweigh everyone.....but that's not the case is it?

And you think Tua hits harder than Foreman too? And Tyson hits harder than Foreman....dude both of those guys weighed LESS than Foreman when they were knocking everyone out.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

I'm not the one using KO%!

Nor am i the one comparing Butterbean to WK!

I'm comparing GF to WK! El kabong u r pig ignorantly stupid aren't u? LOL. I have given u a numerous counters to your argument and i keep asking u to tell me were i have stated that size is the deciding factor? I state that when 2 Noted punchers like these two have 25lbs of prime weight between them that that IMO factors into the equation! U don't have to agree, u don't have to start whining on about a baby 201lb david tua who (LOL u if u think tua at 19 had reached the peak of his powers at 201!) Even then it plays into my argument byrd stating TUA hits hard! LOL.

Here is my argument again just so u understand as u seem incapable of grasping it: WK's World title stats: Name and KO'ratio in world title fights:

·George Foreman 42.8% (3 of 7)
·Mike Tyson 62.5% (10 of 16)
·Wladimir Klitschko 77.7% (14 0f 1

Another way of comparing is common opponents: Schulz, Martin and Young:

Opponent Wladimir Klitschko's result George Foreman's result:

·Axel Schulz KO8 MD12
·Everett Martin KO8 UD10
·Mark Young KO2 (RTD2) TKO7

This again shows superiority on wlads part! More?

How about the fact that George Foreman has scored only 3 KOs in world championship fights 200×2, whereas Wladimir Klitschko has scored approximately 5 x as many!

More? So far 13 people survived fights with Foreman. But only 3 survived against Wlad! Shall we go on?

Let's also take a look at people who have sparred with them (Of course we must value the opinion of some forum trolls over someone who actually experienced them! 'But wait that guy must be lyeing.....') LOL:

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Lets take the opinion of someone in the know:

"What makes him really special also is he has so much power in the late rounds. A lot of guys, great punchers like ·Mike Tyson, they were great in the early rounds but very seldom in the late rounds. Wladimir has knocked out guys like he did with ·Chris Byrd, and RayAustin, and ·Eliseo Castillo – he knocked those guys out early because he threw a punch early, an early power punch. And then he’s had the power to go out after being down three times with ·Samuel Peter and he had him out on his feet in the twelfth round of a very grueling fight with one single punch, a left hook. Then he knocked out Tony thompson. With Tony Thompson he ran across the ring and threw one straight right hand in the eleventh round and just walked away, and Thompson went down totally finished. Now he knocks out this guy in the 12th round with ten or twelve seconds left with one punch. To have a fighter that has that kind of devastating one punch clean knockout power is so much stress on the opponent because you’re never safe."

(Emmanuel Stewart, HOF trainer of Wladimir Klitschko) Also note Freddie roach said WK hit harder than Tyson!

More? Let's see who foreman says hit him the hardest:

Boxing - George Foreman reveals who hit him the hardest..

Oh look cooney! As i said cooney had an argument too!

Let's look at someone who fought LL and WK (Phil jackson) He says wlad hit harder:

Ex-Foe says Wladimir Klitschko Can Still Be Champ

More powerful than Lennox Lewis would you say?

Phil Jackson: "Yeah, most definitely. Yeah."

Shall we go on? U see im not basing it all on size, i said IMO being 25lbs of solid muscle larger factors in! when talking about NOTED punchers, of course foreman has incredible power and he is an ATG puncher but IMO WK hits harder! Stop crying and produce a counter to this argument! Now point me to where i said foreman doesn't hit as hard because WK is bigger? I said that when comparing those 2 then wlads size must factor in as part of the equation IMO!

[El Kabong]

Freddie Roach said Wlad's hands were faster than Tyson's, I don't recall him saying anything about punching power

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

Freddie Roach said Wlad's hands were faster than Tyson's, I don't recall him saying anything about punching power

Freddie Roach: "Punch for punch actually Mike is more explosive than Wladimir Klitschko. Klitschko is so big and he doesn’t have the speed of Mike, but he’s got that dense power though so Mike’s asset is the speed that comes with the power. Klitschko doesn’t have that speed so if you see a punch coming and you can prepare for it, it won’t knock you out. Punch for punch I think Klitschko probably hits a little bit harder but Mike’s much more explosive"

Emanuel Steward: “If this man actually would just operate with close to 80%—he’s only operating with about 60%—he would be the most devastating heavyweight in the history of boxing because I’ve worked with him. Never, ever, ever have I been involved with a fighter who has so much one punch punching power. Even guys that knock somebody out—they get them hurt, they knock them down, they get them groggy—Wladimir is the only fighter I’ve ever worked with that everything can be normal like a big party—everybody is having champagne, on the floors, in the tuxedos, with the music—and the lights go off completely at one time. I mean it’s not like a gradual dimmer switch. I never saw anyone who knocked out people in a gym when they block punches and he did that about three weeks ago with a sparring partner—two weeks ago, prior to the fight. With a sparring partner he threw a left hook, the sparring partner blocked the punch and with twenty ounce gloves he was still knocked out. He has unbelievable one punch punching power and that’s why maybe he doesn’t put combinations together because he punches so effectively and with so much power with one punch, but his handicap and problem is he feints too much. He wants everything to be perfect—perfect balance, perfect this, and the last round he was a little overly aggressive, got out of position a few times, but to go three minutes with a guy with his power is like a lifetime because even if he just grazes you with a punch, you’re going to be hurt.”

[El Kabong]

.....that because he weighs more than Tyson

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

.....that because he weighs more than Tyson

Not any more he doesn't.



Mike Tyson: “I don’t buy the idea that today’s fighters are not as good as the old fighters,” stated Tyson recently to Oliver Holt of the London Mirror. “If you had asked Joe Frazier if he could beat me when I was at my best, he would have said, ‘Hell yeah.’ That’s the way boxing goes. I think I could beat the next generation of fighters but the reality of history is that the fighters get better and better, bigger and bigger and stronger and stronger.”

“I think the heavweight scene is pretty good right now,” Tyson continued. “The Klitschkos are doing great"

P.s I thought freddie said nothing about power?

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

[El Kabong]

You do know I'm a Klitschko fan right

The difference between us is that I (unlike you) choose to be reasonable and rational in defending either brother while you like to skew numbers and compare their power against that of a 45 year old George Foreman.

Anybody can put quotes around something "THE PHILOSOPHER is an asshole" - Freddie Roach....well damn what did you do to poor Freddie?

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

You do know I'm a Klitschko fan right

U do know i don't care right?

The difference between us is that I (unlike you) choose to be reasonable and rational in defending either brother while you like to skew numbers and compare their power against that of a 45 year old George Foreman.

WK hit's harder IMO. I compare there power to foreman's entire career (i.e KO's in world title fight's!). Common opponent's is only one angle, plus i highlighted george was older! Foreman's Power didn't diminish, ask holy and moorer! Evidence that it diminished please?

Anybody can put quotes around something "THE PHILOSOPHER is an asshole" - Freddie Roach....well damn what did you do to poor Freddie

Source for that quote please?

You put up with my shit, I like that. My dog does the same

I thankyou.

[El Kabong]

I prove that George Foreman hits harder by showing his KO%, you pick & choose Wladimir's numbers in attempt to bring Foreman down and I'm sorry it just doesn't work that way. GEORGE FOREMAN KO'D MORE FIGHTERS THAN WLADIMIR HAS that's a factual statement proven true by numbers. It's not some handpicked bullcrap about title fights or what have you where Wladimir has loads more as he's fought for several more belts and there are several more belts to fight for thereby hurting George Foreman's numbers.

Why should I post a source for my Freddie Roach quote, it's not like you posted one for yours now is it?

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

I prove that George Foreman hits harder by showing his KO%

Deontay wilder has 100% ratio! KO ratio in world title fights are more relevant:

·George Foreman 42.8% (3 of 7)
·Wladimir Klitschko 77.7% (14 0f 18 ) Note: In fact it's more than eighteen now as that statistic is a couple of years old too!

GEORGE FOREMAN KO'D MORE FIGHTERS THAN WLADIMIR HAS

Foreman - 81 Fights in total!

WK - 61 FIGHTS in total!

LOL.

Why should I post a source for my Freddie Roach quote, it's not like you posted one for yours now is it

Which quote would u like the source for?

P.S VK (87.23%) and Marciano (87.76%) have higher ratio's than GF and WK. Do u agree they hit harder then? "I prove that George Foreman hit's harder by showing his KO%" Your words! LOL.

[El Kabong]

I prove that George Foreman hits harder by showing his KO%

Deontay wilder has 100% ratio! KO ratio in world title fights are more relevant:

·George Foreman 42.8% (3 of 7)
·Wladimir Klitschko 77.7% (14 0f 18 ) Note: In fact it's more than eighteen now as that statistic is a couple of years old too!

GEORGE FOREMAN KO'D MORE FIGHTERS THAN WLADIMIR HAS

Foreman - 81 Fights in total!

WK - 61 FIGHTS in total!

LOL.

Why should I post a source for my Freddie Roach quote, it's not like you posted one for yours now is it

Which quote would u like the source for?

P.S VK (87.23%) and Marciano (87.76%) have higher ratio's than GF and WK. Do u agree they hit harder then? "I prove that George Foreman hit's harder by showing his KO%" Your words! LOL.

And for some of those 81 total fights Foreman was over 40 years old and was still knocking guys out. And Hell yes Rocky Marciano hit hard he didn't stop guys by playing patty cake with them...yes Vitali Klitschko hits hard, but the thing is I don't need to talk shit about George Foreman to recognize their power you dope

[Master]

Manny is saying that Wlad is too cautious and does not punch as hard as he should do. Big difference to saying he is the hardest punching heavyweight of all time.

Wlad has never shown that devastating punch power that Manny describes where the lights of the opponent goes out or they fall up and down from one punch. He says he has seen it is sparring but not in an actual fight.

[imp]

Manny is saying that Wlad is too cautious and does not punch as hard as he should do. Big difference to saying he is the hardest punching heavyweight of all time.

Wlad has never shown that devastating punch power that Manny describes where the lights of the opponent goes out or they fall up and down from one punch. He says he has seen it is sparring but not in an actual fight.

Sounds like vlad really is just a better version of audley. No real fighting heart.

We all like to talk about size and punching power..how about heart?

I hope all fighters continue to improve and better themselves as there is better technology and superb fitness trainers, etc.

The fact still remains a guy like vlad is bigger, stronger, fitter than most heavyweights of all time but he lacks the composure and smarts from someone like ali who would dance and cut vlad to shreds for 12 rds.

Vlad is a very very good fighter but great fighters have great competition.

[DavilaJones]

Can you elaborate on his lack of heart? Or his lack of composure?