The Terrible Hypocrisy of England and America ın Geopolitics

[brocktonblockbust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wcuw1nzxQ7Y

[Gandalf]

Socialism is working all around the world Lyle. I haven't the foggiest what you mean by that. Socialism will always be a relevant part of an effective society. And society is what a country is, only socialism can motivate good social policies. Capitalism has shown it can't.

[VictorCharlie]

I love how Miles posts generalized opinions as fact.

[Gandalf]

I love how Miles posts generalized opinions as fact.

What is generalized about public education, health care, bus passes, fuel allowances, pensions etc? These are socialist policies and are used in countless nations.

Most economies are mixed to differing degrees and accept the validity of socialist policies. Unfortunately they are values that ideologues are trying to dismantle.

[Gandalf]

So Greenbeanz finally responds to Althugz, but does so in an attack on my 'facts'. I don't know which facts are in question here as I thought it was a rather straightforward post myself. Lots of opinions for sure, but nothing that cannot be backed up in any way.

The biggest criminal in the Middle East is Israel.

The policy towards Iran is hypocritical.

The English monarchy is a sham.

I actually work very hard and have no rich Daddy to fall back on.

[VictorCharlie]

I love how Miles posts generalized opinions as fact.

What is generalized about public education, health care, bus passes, fuel allowances, pensions etc? These are socialist policies and are used in countless nations.

Most economies are mixed to differing degrees and accept the validity of socialist policies. Unfortunately they are values that ideologues are trying to dismantle.

What isn't generalized about them? You don't post facts Miles you make broad sweeping statements and portray them as facts or definitive. You argue with straw man and non sequitar fallacies. Socialism is fine if you prefer it but you can't pretend that it isn't based on coercion and a threat of violence nor that it provides choice.

[Gandalf]

I love how Miles posts generalized opinions as fact.

What is generalized about public education, health care, bus passes, fuel allowances, pensions etc? These are socialist policies and are used in countless nations.

Most economies are mixed to differing degrees and accept the validity of socialist policies. Unfortunately they are values that ideologues are trying to dismantle.

What isn't generalized about them? You don't post facts Miles you make broad sweeping statements and portray them as facts or definitive. You argue with straw man and non sequitar fallacies. Socialism is fine if you prefer it but you can't pretend that it isn't based on coercion and a threat of violence nor that it provides choice.

It is a fact that many European nations have all/some of the socialist programmes. It is a certainly a fact that the UK has them all.

Socialist policies are not necessarily based on coercion and a threat of violence. Was the NHS introduced to the UK against the will of the general public? No of course not.

I would argue that most would agree on basic necessities which should be provided by the government in order to construct a healthier society.

[VictorCharlie]

Whether a nation or several have a socialist system for a particular service does not make your statement "only socialism can motivate good social policies. Capitalism has shown it can't" factual. Of course it is coercive. If a UK citizen decided they were not going to use any NHS services would they be allowed to keep the portion of their taxes that pay into it? Absolutely not. Generally speaking you don't have to force people to go along with a good idea.