Romney vs. Obama Debate - Part II on Tuesday - let's score it!

[Kirkland Laing]

Oh it's Reagan's fault....well that's new and refreshing

It's also Bush and Bush the Lesser's fault and Clinton's fault. It's also the fault of America's first Kenyan president.

What the Kenyan should really have done is set up a system where every toddler has access to daycare centres staffed by teachers who have at least a master's degree in under-5s education. Then they should go to a school where all teachers should have at least a master's degree in teaching. Then they should be able to go to a university where they recieve the best possible education or vocational colleges for the non-academic where they learn a trade or skills to get them skilled employment. All this from daycare to graduation should be free and the people who make it to university/vocational college should be given a monthly payment to cover their living expenses for their two/four/six year courses. This would give everybody in the country equality of opportunity and would create a massive increase in social mobility compared to the current system.

When they leave school they should be able to have generous welfare payments when they go through periods of unemployment, they should have excellent completely free healthcare from cradle to grave and they should be able to pay into a generous state pension plan that gives them a comfortable retirement. And they should get six weeks holiday a year and be able to refuse overtime, an excellent minimum wage and strong unions to keep working wages at a good level.

[El Kabong]

Oh it's Reagan's fault....well that's new and refreshing

It's also Bush and Bush the Lesser's fault and Clinton's fault. It's also the fault of America's first Kenyan president.

What the Kenyan should really have done is set up a system where every toddler has access to daycare centres staffed by teachers who have at least a master's degree in under-5s education. Then they should go to a school where all teachers should have at least a master's degree in teaching. Then they should be able to go to a university where they recieve the best possible education or vocational colleges for the non-academic where they learn a trade or skills to get them skilled employment. All this from daycare to graduation should be free and the people who make it to university/vocational college should be given a monthly payment to cover their living expenses for their two/four/six year courses. This would give everybody in the country equality of opportunity and would create a massive increase in social mobility compared to the current system.

When they leave school they should be able to have generous welfare payments when they go through periods of unemployment, they should have excellent completely free healthcare from cradle to grave and they should be able to pay into a generous state pension plan that gives them a comfortable retirement. And they should get six weeks holiday a year and be able to refuse overtime, an excellent minimum wage and strong unions to keep working wages at a good level.

I see you blaming a lot of people and as for your "solution" to the issue......that's just fucking ridiculous #1 That's way too expensive there's not enough money to pay for it and even if you taxed the fuck out of everything you couldn't make that work and #2 That has the all the makings of a tyranny and I'd oppose it with every last fiber of my being. If the government controls all of that then the government controls your life, your job, your education, your health, and what's stopping them from controlling everything else, what you eat when you go to the bathroom, how much power you're allowed to use in your house, etc.

[Kirkland Laing]

Oh it's Reagan's fault....well that's new and refreshing

It's also Bush and Bush the Lesser's fault and Clinton's fault. It's also the fault of America's first Kenyan president.

What the Kenyan should really have done is set up a system where every toddler has access to daycare centres staffed by teachers who have at least a master's degree in under-5s education. Then they should go to a school where all teachers should have at least a master's degree in teaching. Then they should be able to go to a university where they recieve the best possible education or vocational colleges for the non-academic where they learn a trade or skills to get them skilled employment. All this from daycare to graduation should be free and the people who make it to university/vocational college should be given a monthly payment to cover their living expenses for their two/four/six year courses. This would give everybody in the country equality of opportunity and would create a massive increase in social mobility compared to the current system.

When they leave school they should be able to have generous welfare payments when they go through periods of unemployment, they should have excellent completely free healthcare from cradle to grave and they should be able to pay into a generous state pension plan that gives them a comfortable retirement. And they should get six weeks holiday a year and be able to refuse overtime, an excellent minimum wage and strong unions to keep working wages at a good level.

I see you blaming a lot of people and as for your "solution" to the issue......that's just fucking ridiculous #1 That's way too expensive there's not enough money to pay for it and even if you taxed the fuck out of everything you couldn't make that work and #2 That has the all the makings of a tyranny and I'd oppose it with every last fiber of my being. If the government controls all of that then the government controls your life, your job, your education, your health, and what's stopping them from controlling everything else, what you eat when you go to the bathroom, how much power you're allowed to use in your house, etc.

In Finland's Footsteps

[El Kabong]

In Finland's Footsteps

How high are their taxes?

[Kirkland Laing]

In Finland's Footsteps

How high are their taxes?

The same as yours if you add on what you pay for healthcare, daycare and all the other stuff you have to pay for in America.

[El Kabong]

In Finland's Footsteps

How high are their taxes?

The same as yours if you add on what you pay for healthcare, daycare and all the other stuff you have to pay for in America.

So higher then?

[Kirkland Laing]

In Finland's Footsteps

How high are their taxes?

The same as yours if you add on what you pay for healthcare, daycare and all the other stuff you have to pay for in America.

So higher then?

No, the same as you currently spend for the same services. Except your services are shit by comparison. Finland actually spends a lot less than America on healthcare and on education but their education system is one of the top two or three in the world while America is mid-table. Same thing for healthcare. There must be something good about those socialist systems, no?