Froch wants Ward again !

[Violent Demise]

Yes in the eyes of his haters only.

No bigger Froch fan here than me. But Im not some blind, naive groupie who thinks Froch can be competitive against Ward (much less beat him) knowing damn well it's not possible

[ryanman]

Yes in the eyes of his haters only.

No bigger Froch fan here than me. But Im not some blind, naive groupie who thinks Froch can be competitive against Ward (much less beat him) knowing damn well it's not possible

This.

It just wouldn't happen. It's just different levels.

[AdamGB]

It's pretty unlikely, but not impossible.

Ward has been dropped and hurt as recently as Bika... He spoils too well for Froch to likely land clean... But it can be done, whatever he lacks - froch has a fuck load of will so you can never write him off entirely.

VD which fighter did you say Froch was going to get KO'd by or only beat via a shameful, home town decision? Was it Bute or Abraham?

I only ask because that seems like something so stupid only a hater could delude themselves enough to say... But here you are claiming to be a fan.

[Tam Seddon]

[Violent Demise]

It's pretty unlikely, but not impossible.

Ward has been dropped and hurt as recently as Bika... He spoils too well for Froch to likely land clean... But it can be done, whatever he lacks - froch has a fuck load of will so you can never write him off entirely.

VD which fighter did you say Froch was going to get KO'd by or only beat via a shameful, home town decision? Was it Bute or Abraham?

I only ask because that seems like something so stupid only a hater could delude themselves enough to say... But here you are claiming to be a fan.

I'm sure it was both. Still a big time fan of him.

Bika never dropped Ward. Only time Ward has been down was in his 7th pro fight. But it's alright. I'm sure it can still be held against him. I mean it was only 7 years ago. That's like yesterday

[AdamGB]

It's pretty unlikely, but not impossible.

Ward has been dropped and hurt as recently as Bika... He spoils too well for Froch to likely land clean... But it can be done, whatever he lacks - froch has a fuck load of will so you can never write him off entirely.

VD which fighter did you say Froch was going to get KO'd by or only beat via a shameful, home town decision? Was it Bute or Abraham?

I only ask because that seems like something so stupid only a hater could delude themselves enough to say... But here you are claiming to be a fan.

I'm sure it was both. Still a big time fan of him.

Bika never dropped Ward. Only time Ward has been down was in his 7th pro fight. But it's alright. I'm sure it can still be held against him. I mean it was only 7 years ago. That's like yesterday

I never said Bika dropped ward... I said he'd been dropped before and that bika had hurt him.

[ryanman]

It's pretty unlikely, but not impossible.

Ward has been dropped and hurt as recently as Bika... He spoils too well for Froch to likely land clean... But it can be done, whatever he lacks - froch has a fuck load of will so you can never write him off entirely.

VD which fighter did you say Froch was going to get KO'd by or only beat via a shameful, home town decision? Was it Bute or Abraham?

I only ask because that seems like something so stupid only a hater could delude themselves enough to say... But here you are claiming to be a fan.

I'm sure it was both. Still a big time fan of him.

Bika never dropped Ward. Only time Ward has been down was in his 7th pro fight. But it's alright. I'm sure it can still be held against him. I mean it was only 7 years ago. That's like yesterday

I never said Bika dropped ward... I said he'd been dropped before and that bika had hurt him.

It's the way it was worded. Could have been read as Bika dropping and hurting him. Rather than your intention of him being dropped before, and hurt as recently as Bika.

[AdamGB]

I forgot how clearly VD needs things explained to him.

[ninjaspy3]

It's pretty unlikely, but not impossible.

Ward has been dropped and hurt as recently as Bika... He spoils too well for Froch to likely land clean... But it can be done, whatever he lacks - froch has a fuck load of will so you can never write him off entirely.

VD which fighter did you say Froch was going to get KO'd by or only beat via a shameful, home town decision? Was it Bute or Abraham?

I only ask because that seems like something so stupid only a hater could delude themselves enough to say... But here you are claiming to be a fan.

I'm sure it was both. Still a big time fan of him.

Bika never dropped Ward. Only time Ward has been down was in his 7th pro fight. But it's alright. I'm sure it can still be held against him. I mean it was only 7 years ago. That's like yesterday

I never said Bika dropped ward... I said he'd been dropped before and that bika had hurt him.

It's the way it was worded. Could have been read as Bika dropping and hurting him. Rather than your intention of him being dropped before, and hurt as recently as Bika.

Its somewhat a mut point as most fighters have been dropped and hurt. Mayweather was hurt and almost dropped but that doesnt mean much.

[Dropanuke]

If froch performed like against pascal then he would win it!
His work rate was crazy high

[p4pking]

If froch performed like against pascal then he would win it!
His work rate was crazy high

That's nonsense.. He performed well against Pascal because he could afford to throw that many punches in between Pascals spurts, and it was still a very close fight where Froch took a lot of big shots. Carl had only improved since then by the time he fought Ward. Pascal has virtually no ring generalship, there is nothing to take from that fight.

[Dropanuke]

In other words if frochs high work rate in the pascal fight which I'd say was equal to calzaghes against jones it basically means that Calzaghe would get whooped too by ward.

[palmerq]

frochs plan to beat ward seems to be fight in nottingham and have a hometown decision... it's a great idea and could well work :S

in my opinino ward is far above froch though and would beat him again... maybe even more convincingly

[IamInuit]

Give me a historical example of England being the home cooker of boxing? And if you can come up with one I will show you five more in Vegas. Country vs a city. Vegas has had many a great decisions also w/o controversy but get real. This theory that Carl could only improve in a second go with a fix is ridiculous and a scab view.

Look Andre Ward is not an old school or throwback fighter. He’s a homer. Yes he’s good technically with a very fluid style but he’s no Denny Moyer in the whomever, wherever or whenever department. Froch is and that’s what is lacking today. People at the top refusing to travel. Perhaps Ward folds like a cheap lawn chair like Bute if he fought in Nottingham. He won’t go.

Kessler- Oracle arena California (Wards backyard)

Ref- Reis California. He never warned Ward once about using his head

Judges
Morrow-California
Hook-Sweden
Christodoulou-South Africa but a Wba lacky

Green-Oracle arena

Ref- Caiz Sr California

Judges
Sammon-California
Polanco-California
Feldman-Connecticut

Bika-Oracle arena

Ref- Stell California

Judges
Sammon-California
Schorle- California
Walton-Washington

Abraham- Home depot California. Just a couple of hours from the Oracle

Ref-Pabon Puerto Rico

Judges-Abraham forced the issue using tourney rules and Ward still got the better.
Christodoulou-SA Wba traveling judge.
Barrabas-Germany
JenKin-California

Froch-Atlantic city. Carl forced the issue on judges and refs

Ref-Smoger-NJ

Judges
Metcaffe-Canada 115/113
Keane-England 118/110
Stewart-Nj 115/113


Dawson-Oracle arena. Fight was originally going to be in Vegas and then was changed to Wards hometown. And the weight thing. It’s funny to me that Ward would not agree to a catch weight to challenge for Dawson’s 175 title and then said after the fight that he may not be able to stay at 168 very much longer.

Ref-Smoger NJ

Judges
Lederman-NY
Mendoza-California
Walker-California


Now I’m not suggesting that the outcome of all of these fights would have been any different but the deck has been stacked in his favour outside of the Froch fight and that fight was close on two of those cards.

[ninjaspy3]

Give me a historical example of England being the home cooker of boxing? And if you can come up with one I will show you five more in Vegas. Country vs a city. Vegas has had many a great decisions also w/o controversy but get real. This theory that Carl could only improve in a second go with a fix is ridiculous and a scab view.

Look Andre Ward is not an old school or throwback fighter. He’s a homer. Yes he’s good technically with a very fluid style but he’s no Denny Moyer in the whomever, wherever or whenever department. Froch is and that’s what is lacking today. People at the top refusing to travel. Perhaps Ward folds like a cheap lawn chair like Bute if he fought in Nottingham. He won’t go.

Kessler- Oracle arena California (Wards backyard)

Ref- Reis California. He never warned Ward once about using his head

Judges
Morrow-California
Hook-Sweden
Christodoulou-South Africa but a Wba lacky

Green-Oracle arena

Ref- Caiz Sr California

Judges
Sammon-California
Polanco-California
Feldman-Connecticut

Bika-Oracle arena

Ref- Stell California

Judges
Sammon-California
Schorle- California
Walton-Washington

Abraham- Home depot California. Just a couple of hours from the Oracle

Ref-Pabon Puerto Rico

Judges-Abraham forced the issue using tourney rules and Ward still got the better.
Christodoulou-SA Wba traveling judge.
Barrabas-Germany
JenKin-California

Froch-Atlantic city. Carl forced the issue on judges and refs

Ref-Smoger-NJ

Judges
Metcaffe-Canada 115/113
Keane-England 118/110
Stewart-Nj 115/113


Dawson-Oracle arena. Fight was originally going to be in Vegas and then was changed to Wards hometown. And the weight thing. It’s funny to me that Ward would not agree to a catch weight to challenge for Dawson’s 175 title and then said after the fight that he may not be able to stay at 168 very much longer.

Ref-Smoger NJ

Judges
Lederman-NY
Mendoza-California
Walker-California


Now I’m not suggesting that the outcome of all of these fights would have been any different but the deck has been stacked in his favour outside of the Froch fight and that fight was close on two of those cards.

Well you cant say definitively that the deck was stacked in Ward's favor unless youre saying all the US judges you listed are biased to US fighters.

Now as for Ward travelling, perhaps he should BUT not just for the sake of his critics. He is the champ and that means the challanger comes to him. You want Wlad to leave Germany and fly to the UK to fight Haye? Some champs MAY travel but thats up to them.

Anyway, in light of what happened between Dirrel and Froch in the UK, I would not go if I were Ward. Why risk a controversial decision when you dont have to??

In fact this question is so good, I will ask it again:

Why Risk A Controversial Decision When You Dont Have Too?