Romney vs. Obama Debate - Part II on Tuesday - let's score it!

[Kirkland Laing]

In Finland's Footsteps

How high are their taxes?

The same as yours if you add on what you pay for healthcare, daycare and all the other stuff you have to pay for in America.

[El Kabong]

In Finland's Footsteps

How high are their taxes?

The same as yours if you add on what you pay for healthcare, daycare and all the other stuff you have to pay for in America.

So higher then?

[Kirkland Laing]

In Finland's Footsteps

How high are their taxes?

The same as yours if you add on what you pay for healthcare, daycare and all the other stuff you have to pay for in America.

So higher then?

No, the same as you currently spend for the same services. Except your services are shit by comparison. Finland actually spends a lot less than America on healthcare and on education but their education system is one of the top two or three in the world while America is mid-table. Same thing for healthcare. There must be something good about those socialist systems, no?

[El Kabong]

In Finland's Footsteps

How high are their taxes?

The same as yours if you add on what you pay for healthcare, daycare and all the other stuff you have to pay for in America.

So higher then?

No, the same as you currently spend for the same services. Except your services are shit by comparison. Finland actually spends a lot less than America on healthcare and on education but their education system is one of the top two or three in the world while America is mid-table. Same thing for healthcare. There must be something good about those socialist systems, no?

NationMaster - Taxation stats: Finland vs United States

So higher then?

If you admit the services Americans get are "shit by comparison" why the hell would you want higher taxes to make the United States a welfare state like Finland when our services don't work well to begin with? Do you see the flaw in your arguments No I don't suspect you do....the welfare state can do no wrong in your eyes...I on the other hand like to take care of myself

[Kirkland Laing]

In Finland's Footsteps

How high are their taxes?

The same as yours if you add on what you pay for healthcare, daycare and all the other stuff you have to pay for in America.

So higher then?

No, the same as you currently spend for the same services. Except your services are shit by comparison. Finland actually spends a lot less than America on healthcare and on education but their education system is one of the top two or three in the world while America is mid-table. Same thing for healthcare. There must be something good about those socialist systems, no?

NationMaster - Taxation stats: Finland vs United States

So higher then?

If you admit the services Americans get are "shit by comparison" why the hell would you want higher taxes to make the United States a welfare state like Finland when our services don't work well to begin with? Do you see the flaw in your arguments No I don't suspect you do....the welfare state can do no wrong in your eyes...I on the other hand like to take care of myself

If I'm saying that you should have higher taxes to be more like Finland because your current social services are rubbish how isn't that a coherent argument?

[El Kabong]

If I'm saying that you should have higher taxes

Thank you, that's all I asked....was it THAT difficult to finally admit it Kirkland? Oh and I bet there are a thousand countries who want to be like fucking Finland, get the fuck outta here with that shit.

[Master]

If I'm saying that you should have higher taxes

Thank you, that's all I asked....was it THAT difficult to finally admit it Kirkland? Oh and I bet there are a thousand countries who want to be like fucking Finland, get the fuck outta here with that shit.

Why is the US obsessed with higher taxes? Tax the corportaion making billions fairly what is wrong with that?

[Kirkland Laing]

If I'm saying that you should have higher taxes

Thank you, that's all I asked....was it THAT difficult to finally admit it Kirkland? Oh and I bet there are a thousand countries who want to be like fucking Finland, get the fuck outta here with that shit.

You're doing this on purpose, you can't actually be this dumb. If you add on what you spend on health insurance, daycare and education and what you pay for a decent pension to retire on to your tax bill then you'll discover that you're currently paying as much or more than Finnish people are for the services they get. And they get much better services than you do. What part of this don't you understand?

Also, too. You don't have a high corporate tax rate in America. The stated rate is high but nobody pays that. Over two-thirds of corporations don't pay corporation tax at all :

StoneMor Partners LP, the publicly traded firm that specializes in running cemeteries, expects to see handsome profits in coming years as baby boomers age and die. But unlike its largest rivals, its corporate tax bill from the federal government will be zero. StoneMor is among the many businesses organized so they don’t pay a penny in federal corporate income tax. And yet such firms don’t employ an army of accountants to shield profits in complex tax shelters. Their enviable tax position is perfectly legal and has been encouraged by Congress and state governments. Known as pass-throughs, these firms pass along profits to investors who pay taxes on those sums through their individual returns. This exception has been around for decades, and has been broadened repeatedly in recent years as a way to spur entrepreneurship. Millions of small businesses have organized this way, but so too have some behemoths like private-equity giant Blackstone Group LP, construction firm Bechtel Group Inc. and pipeline firm Kinder Morgan. The percentage of U.S. corporations organized as nontaxable businesses has grown from about 24% in 1986 to about 69% as of 2008, according to the latest-available Internal Revenue Service data. The percentage of all firms is far higher when partnerships and sole proprietors are included. Old-line U.S. public companies generally remain taxable, and many complain that they must pay higher effective rates than foreign competitors. They are eagerly seeking a cut in the 35% U.S. corporate-tax rate, now one of the highest in the world. But increasingly they find themselves at odds politically with the growing breed of nontaxable firms.

More U.S. Businesses Enjoy Tax-Free Status - WSJ.com

And the top 1% make as much as the bottom 50%. You just can't run an economy like that for any length of time without it fucking up as you're now finding out. And your reaction as you watch these guys rob your bank in front of your eyes is to run after them saying "wait, you dropped a bag of money, here, take it with you!"