Cleverly

[CFH]

I still don't see what the fuss is about Cleverly. He has never fought anyone who poses even a slight challenge to him and has not looked all that impressive even in many of those fights. He has little power and no defence - he'll be exposed when he starts to step up in class. He might beat a 9,000 year old Hopkins (has this fight been made?) who throws more headbutts than punches these days, but I'm not certain he will.

[Dia bando]

I still don't see what the fuss is about Cleverly. He has never fought anyone who poses even a slight challenge to him and has not looked all that impressive even in many of those fights. He has little power and no defence - he'll be exposed when he starts to step up in class. He might beat a 9,000 year old Hopkins (has this fight been made?) who throws more headbutts than punches these days, but I'm not certain he will.

Maybe he could give Bute, a crack at his title,

[CFH]

I still don't see what the fuss is about Cleverly. He has never fought anyone who poses even a slight challenge to him and has not looked all that impressive even in many of those fights. He has little power and no defence - he'll be exposed when he starts to step up in class. He might beat a 9,000 year old Hopkins (has this fight been made?) who throws more headbutts than punches these days, but I'm not certain he will.

Maybe he could give Bute, a crack at his title,

While I'm no fan of Bute, he would destroy Cleverly.

Cleverly is approaching Bute territory in terms of his level of opposition, though Bute probably fought better competition through 25 fights.

[Dia bando]

I still don't see what the fuss is about Cleverly. He has never fought anyone who poses even a slight challenge to him and has not looked all that impressive even in many of those fights. He has little power and no defence - he'll be exposed when he starts to step up in class. He might beat a 9,000 year old Hopkins (has this fight been made?) who throws more headbutts than punches these days, but I'm not certain he will.

Maybe he could give Bute, a crack at his title,

While I'm no fan of Bute, he would destroy Cleverly.

Cleverly is approaching Bute territory in terms of his level of opposition, though Bute probably fought better competition through 25 fights.

I don't think so, Bute has no chin I have seen Cleverly box as a 16 year old, he was good then, winning
a Welsh ABA title, I've seen plenty of Champs in my time,and he's got what it takes it very rare I'm
WRONG.

[CFH]

I still don't see what the fuss is about Cleverly. He has never fought anyone who poses even a slight challenge to him and has not looked all that impressive even in many of those fights. He has little power and no defence - he'll be exposed when he starts to step up in class. He might beat a 9,000 year old Hopkins (has this fight been made?) who throws more headbutts than punches these days, but I'm not certain he will.

Maybe he could give Bute, a crack at his title,

While I'm no fan of Bute, he would destroy Cleverly.

Cleverly is approaching Bute territory in terms of his level of opposition, though Bute probably fought better competition through 25 fights.

I don't think so, Bute has no chin I have seen Cleverly box as a 16 year old, he was good then, winning
a Welsh ABA title, I've seen plenty of Champs in my time,and he's got what it takes it very rare I'm
WRONG.

Bute has a decent chin, he just has no defence. He took a million flush shots from Froch before he went down and Cleverly has nowhere near the power that Froch does.

[Glinchdogg]

Tony bellew will beat him in a rematch
I thought he won the first fight
Bellew only had 2 weeks notice
When they meet again in a couple of years
Bellew wins UD

[Dia bando]

Tony bellew will beat him in a rematch
I thought he won the first fight
Bellew only had 2 weeks notice
When they meet again in a couple of years
Bellew wins UD

Cleverly is a far better boxer, than you think next time he will out box Bellew, I like Bellew but Cleverly
is the better fighter.

[Dia bando]

I still don't see what the fuss is about Cleverly. He has never fought anyone who poses even a slight challenge to him and has not looked all that impressive even in many of those fights. He has little power and no defence - he'll be exposed when he starts to step up in class. He might beat a 9,000 year old Hopkins (has this fight been made?) who throws more headbutts than punches these days, but I'm not certain he will.

Maybe he could give Bute, a crack at his title,

While I'm no fan of Bute, he would destroy Cleverly.

Cleverly is approaching Bute territory in terms of his level of opposition, though Bute probably fought better competition through 25 fights.

I don't think so, Bute has no chin I have seen Cleverly box as a 16 year old, he was good then, winning
a Welsh ABA title, I've seen plenty of Champs in my time,and he's got what it takes it very rare I'm
WRONG.

Bute has a decent chin, he just has no defence. He took a million flush shots from Froch before he went down and Cleverly has nowhere near the power that Froch does.

You are wrong there, Bute is a bit like Khan on top fighter with a poor chin, Cleverly has a GOOD chin,
when he hit's them right he hurts them, his fitness and work rate are a major factor.
Nathan will out work a plodder like Hopkins, he will set a pace in a fight which his opponents don't
match. Again if Calzaghe RATE'S him you take a bit of notice, I remember him stopping a lad, from
my son's old club, in the first round, looking back he was a bit special.

[Fenster]

If Nathan's "workrate" will play such a factor in beating the best guys in the world, explain why he scraped a win over Bellew and that French guy Mohammedi? Men that have never mixed in world-class. He couldn't even put a dent in Tommy Karpency.

Dia Bando, you're jumping from one extreme to another.

Cleverly is a good fighter. Yes his workrate is strong. However, he needs to be seriously improving. When he steps up in class he wont get away with just marching forward and unloading with no worry about what's coming back. That only works when you have a punch bag in front of you (like Saturday night).

Bute would be a HUGE step up in class. And a big favourite.

[CFH]

I still don't see what the fuss is about Cleverly. He has never fought anyone who poses even a slight challenge to him and has not looked all that impressive even in many of those fights. He has little power and no defence - he'll be exposed when he starts to step up in class. He might beat a 9,000 year old Hopkins (has this fight been made?) who throws more headbutts than punches these days, but I'm not certain he will.

Maybe he could give Bute, a crack at his title,

While I'm no fan of Bute, he would destroy Cleverly.

Cleverly is approaching Bute territory in terms of his level of opposition, though Bute probably fought better competition through 25 fights.

I don't think so, Bute has no chin I have seen Cleverly box as a 16 year old, he was good then, winning
a Welsh ABA title, I've seen plenty of Champs in my time,and he's got what it takes it very rare I'm
WRONG.

Bute has a decent chin, he just has no defence. He took a million flush shots from Froch before he went down and Cleverly has nowhere near the power that Froch does.

You are wrong there, Bute is a bit like Khan on top fighter with a poor chin, Cleverly has a GOOD chin,
when he hit's them right he hurts them, his fitness and work rate are a major factor.
Nathan will out work a plodder like Hopkins, he will set a pace in a fight which his opponents don't
match. Again if Calzaghe RATE'S him you take a bit of notice, I remember him stopping a lad, from
my son's old club, in the first round, looking back he was a bit special.

Bute has a chin, if he didn't the Froch fight would have been over in the first or second round. He's not Margarito, but he's not Khan either.

Cleverly has been hurting nobodies by accumulation, nothing more. He won't be able to land at will on a decent fighter and, even with his output, will end up eating more shots than he lands because he has no defence. If he doesn't vastly improve his defence, he is not going to get anywhere against anyone with a pulse.

[Glinchdogg]

Dia

Cleverly has got skills and is decent
Bellew has improved a lot since that fight IMO
Cant wait for the rematch

[Kirkland Laing]

Tavoris Cloud next maybe. I can't see Frank being able to sell a lot of tickets for Shumenov but maybe him and Don King can work out a Cloud fight. I don't think Frank will let him go to New York to fight Hopkins. Dawson is too good for him I think unless he's been destroyed by losing to Ward. There aren't really a lot of options for him right now and definitely no really lucrative ones.

[Spicoli]

He has some talent and early on a nice workrate. But I think its a little premature to start saying he's good to upend a Hopkins or Dawson. He needs better comp, more work and maturity. Dawson may have looked like reheated dog food vs Ward but that was a world class Ward at the peak..an entirely different animal.

Nice volleys but he almost is too use to them just being there. He has spots where he'll stop and hesitate if hes feinted or a guy punches in between them and he thinks outloud. Better guys will see that and take note. He does alot of frenetic almost nervous energy...moving just for the sake of moving and showboating. That raising the hands and clowning could get him in serious trouble against a top calibur guy and I don't think he's been clocked clean on the chin yet. Walk then run.

[Freedom]

[Dia bando]

He has some talent and early on a nice workrate. But I think its a little premature to start saying he's good to upend a Hopkins or Dawson. He needs better comp, more work and maturity. Dawson may have looked like reheated dog food vs Ward but that was a world class Ward at the peak..an entirely different animal.

Nice volleys but he almost is too use to them just being there. He has spots where he'll stop and hesitate if is feinted or a guy punches in between them and thinks outloud. Better guys will see that and take note. He does alot of frenetic almost nervous energy...moving just for the sake of moving and showboating. That raising the hands and clowning could get him in serious trouble against a top calibur guy and I don't think he's been clocked clean on the chin yet. Walk then run.

Ask Calzaghe he sparred hundreds of rounds, with Nathan he rates him as a kid and a pro, simply
he's that good.