Wanna make an Ass of yourself and say Klıts can fıght lıke thıs?

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Vitali is the only threat in any era.
Wlad can exist in this era only.

[El Kabong]

Vitali is the only threat in any era.
Wlad can exist in this era only.

Wlad would have dominated Holmes' era & Tyson's era and the farther back in time we go the smaller and smaller his opponents would be. People like to assume Wlad hasn't beaten any big punchers at all and that he just folds up vs them and that's absolutely ridiculous. At the lowest point in his career Wlad fought the biggest most dangerous puncher (who was undefeated at the time) the division could offer....and Wlad won. Wlad fought David Haye and had 0 issues, Wlad fought Derrick Jefferson who was a big time puncher.

[Fenster]

Vitali is the only threat in any era.
Wlad can exist in this era only.

Wlad would have dominated Holmes' era & Tyson's era and the farther back in time we go the smaller and smaller his opponents would be. People like to assume Wlad hasn't beaten any big punchers at all and that he just folds up vs them and that's absolutely ridiculous. At the lowest point in his career Wlad fought the biggest most dangerous puncher (who was undefeated at the time) the division could offer....and Wlad won. Wlad fought David Haye and had 0 issues, Wlad fought Derrick Jefferson who was a big time puncher.

Wlad also got knocked out by Sanders, Brewster and Puritty. And on Saturday night breifly went to pieces when caught with a punch, like he did against Sam Peter. None of these fighters would be memorable in any era.

So it's very understandable that people won't buy Wlad as a dominate force that would've reigned in any era.

[El Kabong]

Wlad also got knocked out by Sanders, Brewster and Puritty. And on Saturday night breifly went to pieces when caught with a punch, like he did against Sam Peter. None of these fighters would be memorable in any era.

So it's very understandable that people won't buy Wlad as a dominate force that would've reigned in any era.

Yes and Larry Holmes was beaten by a Michael Spinks and floored by several guys Wlad would have demolished.

[brocktonblockbust]

Wlad also got knocked out by Sanders, Brewster and Puritty. And on Saturday night breifly went to pieces when caught with a punch, like he did against Sam Peter. None of these fighters would be memorable in any era.

So it's very understandable that people won't buy Wlad as a dominate force that would've reigned in any era.

Yes and Larry Holmes was beaten by a Michael Spinks and floored by several guys Wlad would have demolished.

how are those good points? Holmes was robbed agaınst Spınks. And floored means nothıng---Ali was floored too. Bıg deal. Ali wasnt crawlin' cross the floor puckering his bung hole like Wlad agaınst Brewster or Sanders now was he?

[El Kabong]

Wlad also got knocked out by Sanders, Brewster and Puritty. And on Saturday night breifly went to pieces when caught with a punch, like he did against Sam Peter. None of these fighters would be memorable in any era.

So it's very understandable that people won't buy Wlad as a dominate force that would've reigned in any era.

Yes and Larry Holmes was beaten by a Michael Spinks and floored by several guys Wlad would have demolished.

how are those good points? Holmes was robbed agaınst Spınks. And floored means nothıng---Ali was floored too. Bıg deal. Ali wasnt crawlin' cross the floor puckering his bung hole like Wlad agaınst Brewster or Sanders now was he?

Oh that's totally an awesome point you make there brockton ....do you think Renaldo Snipes would have tagged Wladimir the way he tagged Holmes? Do you think Wlad would struggle mightily against Ken Norton? Do you think that Tim Witherspoon who only had 15 pro fights (and got robbed vs Holmes) would beat Wladimir? I mean that's cool if you do I mean after all you're the one with the sucky-fucky sucky tin foil hat wearing sucky fucky shit for brains.....or don't you appreciate that kind of posting?


Soon Wladimir will be second only to Joe Louis in terms of how long he's reigned at the top of the division....meaning he'll pass Larry Holmes and he's been past Ali for quite some time.

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[QUOTE=El Kabong;1111724]

sucky-fucky sucky tin foil hat wearing sucky fucky.

Lyle you're starting to improve---that ıs the best shit you've ever written dude!

[IamInuit]

In fairness to Wlad, he has not been knocked down in close to 7 years and 14 title defenses but that needs to be looked at objectively. Its because Manny taught him how to lean on smaller opponents and grab. In addition the Bellflower bomber probably beats most of the small guys he faced.

[TitoFan]

And yet another Wlad thread that dabbles in the extremes.
There's arguments on both sides:

Pro-Wlad:
Sans the three KO losses early in his career, he's dispatched everybody they've put in front of him. Is it Wlad's fault the HW division is a bunch of "out-of-shape", "scared-shitless", mediocre bums? He fights whoever they put in front of him. He's never ducked anybody, which in itself is more than other fighters out there today. He has amassed a great record, and he'll end up with HOF numbers by the time he finishes his career. He comes into the ring in good physical shape, which again is something that cannot be said for a good 90% of the blubberbutts out there today. He doesn't talk shit to generate interest in a fight, only to turn around and give a 5% effort (like Haye).

Anti-Wlad:
I don't care what anybody says... he's never been truly tested. There's been no epic fights, with back and forth action, taking as well as dishing out. No one's come to truly fight him. Again... it's not his fault, but he's been only too happy to take advantage of his opponents mediocrity and/or fear. His fights are not aesthetically pleasing to all. Some like his style... but many more don't. He seems to fight down to his opponent's skill level, doing just enough to get the decision, or an ultra-safe knockout.


You see... the thing with Wlad is: I believe has little or no confidence in his ability to take a punch. And he may well be chinny. He's never taken a good punch from a great fighter, and have to fight his way back. The times he was caught early in his career, he never survived the initial KD's. So even at this stage, there's some questions. And his lack of confidence in his chin, makes him fight ultra-safe. Engaging in boring paw-fests like with Sultan. Just the threat of a wayward punch from Sultan was enough to send Wlad into a totally defensive posture, and in the process bore us into a coma. But Sultan was as much, if not more to blame. He was there to try and take the title, something not one of Wlad's opponents seems to remember when they step into that ring.

Sad thing is: time's running out on the window for Wlad to be tested in something even remotely resembling an epic fight. Everyone talks about HW prospects, but they're all too green and a few years away from being good enough to challenge Wlad. And by that time, Wlad will have Father Time as a good reason to bow out.

[El Kabong]

He got up when Sam Peter knocked him down and he won that fight....but you're saying that doesn't count because

[TitoFan]

Oh it counts. But Sam Peter turned out to be one of the more over-hyped HWs of our time. It reminded me of the pre-Lewis Tua.

[El Kabong]

Oh it counts. But Sam Peter turned out to be one of the more over-hyped HWs of our time. It reminded me of the pre-Lewis Tua.

....not like I called that waaaay back when everyone was so impressed by his KO of Jeremy Williams.


The point is Wlad at his very lowest psychologically took on the hottest undefeated big time power punching prospect and won when everyone was ready to write him off and even Vitali was calling for Wlad to retire. So let's not play revisionist historian and act like it was "no big deal".

[Master]

Sam Peter was a joke, his performance against Vitali was pathetic.

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Lennox beat the holyfield and best klit of all time.
Lennox was the last great heavyweight.
Wlad and vitali will always rank behind lennox in the hall of fame..and they should be very happy with that..and so should we.

[Beanz]

Meh. There is such a thing as too much grey. Trying to keep all your options open and hedge your bets. Lyle is consistent in his argument.