Wanna make an Ass of yourself and say Klıts can fıght lıke thıs?

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

You just said quotes don't prove anything then go onto use quotation's LOL.

Here's a quote from Manny Steward in 2003 after Lewis made the Johnson fight - "Lennox can only lose through complacency, he can go on until 40, he will KO Johnson, Vitali, Roy Jones"

“I told Lennox after the fight: I feel like we owe Vitali a rematch. Lennox agreed with me".

-Steward. No getting out of that on Fenster.

Here's a quote from Lewis on retirement in 2003 - Speculation has been mounting over the last six months that Lewis will retire from the sport altogether rather than step back into the ring

You do know those quotations u gave me are from an interview in which LL stated this about Tyson:

"It really depends on him," said Lewis. "I'm not forcing any man to fight me. But when we signed for the first fight, we signed for two fights.

"I'm waiting for him to write to me to let me know his next move"

How embarrasing...He's crying about a shot to shit tyson not fighting him again yet a fight with a live body like VK who actually posed a threat in the previous fight (and that would make millions) and in which LL agreed to was shelved! LOL. So not only was Steward looking at a potential Jones fight, LL by his own admission was awaiting a Tyson rematch! LOL again. Also note the link does not rule out a fight with Jones Jr.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/2812363.stm

What a trainer wants and fighter wants are two seperate things. Just because Manny thought HIS fighter could still beat anyone out there doesn't mean Lewis wanted to carry on.

Jones, the WBA champion, now seems to be Lewis’s long-term target “We’ll just keep fighting guys until the big fight with Roy Jones comes up and I think it will happen eventually,” Emanuel Steward, Lewis’s trainer, said.

Make of that what u will.

P.s And i never stated Lewis was calling anyone out did i? Facts are thus: Lewis agreed to a rematch and did not come through on it.

[Fenster]

@THE PHILOSOPHER

I said YOUR quotes don't prove anything. As I have shown.

This is what you said -

Any notion of Lewis considering retirement prior to VK is ended with this extract from Lewis and Steward in 03:

This is what Lewis said in 2003 prior to Vitali

"Retirement - that is an option for me. It's certainly tempting. I really need a fight to make me feel the desire to go through all the training," said Lewis. "It has to get me excited. At this point I'm not excited by anyone."

Lewis was considering retirement BEFORE the Vitali fight. Fact.

[Fenster]

@THE PHILOSOPHER

Also get your facts and figures right about purses. Vitali-Lewis 2 would have never got CLOSE to earning Lewis a "record" amount. Fact.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

@THE PHILOSOPHER

Also get your facts and figures right about purses. Vitali-Lewis 2 would have never got CLOSE to earning Lewis a "record" amount. Fact.

I disagree. The fight would have been a big deal 'Record amounts'? Maybe...Maybe not. The figures would have been huge though.

Does anyone know exactly how much LL turned down for the VK rematch! I have read several times that Lewis turned down $20 million dollars six months later to fight a rematch with Vitali. Is this correct?

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

@THE PHILOSOPHER

I said YOUR quotes don't prove anything. As I have shown.

This is what you said -

Any notion of Lewis considering retirement prior to VK is ended with this extract from Lewis and Steward in 03:

This is what Lewis said in 2003 prior to Vitali

"Retirement - that is an option for me. It's certainly tempting. I really need a fight to make me feel the desire to go through all the training," said Lewis. "It has to get me excited. At this point I'm not excited by anyone."

Lewis was considering retirement BEFORE the Vitali fight. Fact.

Lewis on Tyson in 03:

"It really depends on him," said Lewis. "I'm not forcing any man to fight me. But when we signed for the first fight, we signed for two fights.

"I'm waiting for him to write to me to let me know his next move."

Also note your link (The one which u got your extract from!) pre-dates the VK fight. That is an important point here!!! It was an interview before he fought that epic with vitali!

Your extract: "Retirement - that is an option for me. It's certainly tempting. I really need a fight to make me feel the desire to go through all the training"

U mean like a VK rematch lennox? LOL. U know...one in which he only got 11 days notice and gave u an epic! How about one in which he gets more than a weeks notice and get's some serious prep under his belt rather than going through the motions with the cedric boswells of the world!

I don't think he was seriously considering it until he fought VK. His Tyson comments and Mannys comments on Jones pretty much support this! Could u also explain why he agreed to a rematch if he was going to retire? You don't agree to a fight then retire do you! Does not add up to me! LL was not retiring because he agreed to a rematch with VK. Fact. Tyson signed to fight him twice too! So explain that one! And Manny was gunning for jones! Again not really the talk of a team considering calling an immediate halt! LL would not have retired had he fought his mandatory Kirk Johnson and not VK. U damn well know it Fenster!

Im far from weeping yet fenster. Up your game son.

[Fenster]

Up my game? Not only have I proven I was right you have as well.

I stated Lewis considered retirement prior to the Vitali fight. Which is a 100% proven fact. You said this was nonsense and produced a quote from Manny Steward talking about Roy Jones in 2003.

I then provided evidence that proves me right. You then posted a link (BBC SPORT | Boxing | Lewis rules out Jones clash) that confirmed I was 100% right. That link tells us that - 3 months before fighting Vitali, Lewis had no interest in him, Johnson or Jones. He was either retiring or fighting Tyson again. That's it.

I couldn't careless about your personal opinion of Lewis. What happened after the Vitali fight is irrelevant.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

I stated Lewis considered retirement prior to the Vitali fight. Which is a 100% proven fact. You said this was nonsense and produced a quote from Manny Steward talking about Roy Jones in 2003.

Saying he may think about retiring and actually doing it are 2 different things! Please post me the link in which lewis stated just before the VK fight that this would be his last ever fight! I never really heard much talk of lewis retiring in 03. The guy was linear champ and had just fought the mega fight with tyson.

It certainly wasn't an immediate retirement he was pondering and by the talk of he and his team he was on for another couple of years! By march 2003 there were 2 fights he and his team had in the pipeline! Tyson and Jones! Add the mandatory Kirk Johnson which he was scheduled to fight and that 3! Up steps VK on 11 days notice following Johnson pulling out and exit LL!

That was before that signed tyson rematch and before a Jones fight that manny and he were chasing! LL then goes onto promise a rematch in the ring due to the manner of the fight and crowd reaction so that's 3 fights in LL's immediate future by he & his teams own admission. Four in total that post date your link. That is not the talk of a retiring fighter. Four fights post dating your link!

I couldn't careless about your personal opinion of Lewis. What happened after the Vitali fight is irrelevant

It is the entire crux of the matter.

Why was he whining about tyson not rematching after a one sided first encounter yet agrees to give VK a rematch and doesn't? If he was seriously considering retirement why would manny be making statements like the Jones one? He wasn't retiring was he because he was fighting Johson a few months after your link? And i cant see him bowing out after a Kirk Johnson fight!! Your link stated he wanted the fights he could get up for! Well considering VK was hustling him on 11 days notice in a barn burner and in which he won on cuts (and let me add...looked very sheepish in the post fight interview after using the back of his gloves to aggravate the cut LOL) VK was the very fighter Lewis was whining about that he needed! The WBC then put him on the spot after months of lewis prevaricating with talk like ' I will bust him up' ' I will give him a rematch' etc and he retires rather than lose belt #2 favouring a tyson rematch! All very dodgy...

In the Lewis-Tyson post fight interview Lewis stated "I'm like fine wine, I get better with age"

In an interview right before the Vitali fight, Lewis said "I'm at the peak of my powers, I will keep fighting for many more years"

Anyway ive had my say and proved my point.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

As for the dumb fuck who made the thread and some how used it in his hatred for K2 its clear he is confusing exciting fights with ability! As i stated Smokin Bert cooper was in numerous fights like the one in the OP. What does that prove? LOL.

Gatti/Ward anyone! Ward was B level at best.

If u want exciting HW fights then go watch:

-Brewster v Liakovich\Krasniqi

-VK v Sanders\Lewis

-Golota v Sanders/Bowe

-Maskaev v Rahman 1 & 2

-Byrd v Golota/Mcline

-Tua v Ibeaubuchi

Etc Because all of those are just as watchable as Norton v Holmes. K2 do not allow there opponents to do what norton did to holmes. They are too good.

Wlad has perfect textbook technique. Stance, movement, punches, etc..

Vitali is the tougher guy, but not "skilled" like Wlad.

When Wlad gets hit his reaction is to stop the other guys momentum, recover and then take control of the action.

When Vitali gets hit, his reaction is to exchange.

Wlad is an architect. Vitali is a wrecking ball. You will not see prime WK in a bust up. He is a master of his art not a caveman!

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

Also for the PPL mentioning Frank Bruno! Bruno was dumber than a fuckin doorknob! K2 are light years ahead of bruno in every aspect. He had the ring IQ of a lemming. Affable chap but shit boxer.

[brocktonblockbust]

As for the dumb fuck who made the thread

You are clearly the dumbest fuck of all, however, as your momma never taught you to converse wıth those you do not agree with in a gracious, altruistic, graceful manner. You are like a boor skipping his ass through the tulips. But you're still loved.

[imp]

At the start of the thread it was asked whether the vlit brothers could hang out 15 rounds like the greats did.
The answer is yes when talking about both in todays opposition.
The answer is no when talking about Wlad with some the legends from yesterday.
The answer is yes when talking about vitali with yesterday and todays fighters.

As someone said before standing toe to toe and beating each others brains out is not a smart/long term positive in boxing.
Floyd adopts the safety first style more than anyone else but comparing him to Wlad is like chalk and cheese.

Lennox and Vitali has a great fight in the ring and lennox won.
Lennox didnt give vitali a rematch just like calzaghe didnt give an old hopkins (who some say beat joey c).
Does that make either have there win removed from the history books..no it doesnt.

No one knows what could have happened in either rematch but what was evident in the vitali/lewis was that lewis stopped vitali.

Lewis stopped vitali.

Lets just respect the facts.
Promoters, trainers and fighters say lots of things but vitali could not continue.

[El Kabong]

At the start of the thread it was asked whether the vlit brothers could hang out 15 rounds like the greats did.
The answer is yes when talking about both in todays opposition.
The answer is no when talking about Wlad with some the legends from yesterday.
The answer is yes when talking about vitali with yesterday and todays fighters.

As someone said before standing toe to toe and beating each others brains out is not a smart/long term positive in boxing.
Floyd adopts the safety first style more than anyone else but comparing him to Wlad is like chalk and cheese.

Lennox and Vitali has a great fight in the ring and lennox won.
Lennox didnt give vitali a rematch just like calzaghe didnt give an old hopkins (who some say beat joey c).
Does that make either have there win removed from the history books..no it doesnt.

No one knows what could have happened in either rematch but what was evident in the vitali/lewis was that lewis stopped vitali.

Lewis stopped vitali.

Lets just respect the facts.
Promoters, trainers and fighters say lots of things but vitali could not continue.

Ali gave Quarry a rematch....just sayin'

[imp]

And ali won again!

[El Kabong]

And ali won again!

...so what was Lennox's excuse?

[Master]

Lennox never fought anyone again which illustrates that he was finished, he was a career heaviest and Vitali was training to fight on the under card. Lennox knew the injury would take a long while to repair and Lennox had done it all so he did the right thing and retire. Lennox never avoided Vitali.