Wanna make an Ass of yourself and say Klıts can fıght lıke thıs?

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

You just said quotes don't prove anything then go onto use quotation's LOL.

Here's a quote from Manny Steward in 2003 after Lewis made the Johnson fight - "Lennox can only lose through complacency, he can go on until 40, he will KO Johnson, Vitali, Roy Jones"

“I told Lennox after the fight: I feel like we owe Vitali a rematch. Lennox agreed with me".

-Steward. No getting out of that on Fenster.

Here's a quote from Lewis on retirement in 2003 - Speculation has been mounting over the last six months that Lewis will retire from the sport altogether rather than step back into the ring

You do know those quotations u gave me are from an interview in which LL stated this about Tyson:

"It really depends on him," said Lewis. "I'm not forcing any man to fight me. But when we signed for the first fight, we signed for two fights.

"I'm waiting for him to write to me to let me know his next move"

How embarrasing...He's crying about a shot to shit tyson not fighting him again yet a fight with a live body like VK who actually posed a threat in the previous fight (and that would make millions) and in which LL agreed to was shelved! LOL. So not only was Steward looking at a potential Jones fight, LL by his own admission was awaiting a Tyson rematch! LOL again. Also note the link does not rule out a fight with Jones Jr.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/2812363.stm

What a trainer wants and fighter wants are two seperate things. Just because Manny thought HIS fighter could still beat anyone out there doesn't mean Lewis wanted to carry on.

Jones, the WBA champion, now seems to be Lewis’s long-term target “We’ll just keep fighting guys until the big fight with Roy Jones comes up and I think it will happen eventually,” Emanuel Steward, Lewis’s trainer, said.

Make of that what u will.

P.s And i never stated Lewis was calling anyone out did i? Facts are thus: Lewis agreed to a rematch and did not come through on it.

[TitoFan]

I think Wlad is chinny and hasn't been severely tested. His losses have been by ugly KO.

Vitali, though is a whole 'nother story.
He hits just as hard as Wlad, but has a chin of granite.

He may not be as mobile and agile as Wlad, but IMO has been the better all-around fighter.

All this is to say that I don't get the Lewis hate while supporting Vitali, or the Vitali hate in supporting Lewis. All I saw was a hugely tremendous fight, the likes of which we haven't seen since. THAT was a heavyweight fight. We were robbed of more of this classic when Vitali got that ugly gash over his eye. If not... the fight was promising to be a classic for the ages.

Wlad, on the other hand, has never faced that kind of test.
And the first one to mention Sam Peter gets shot.

[Fenster]

@THE PHILOSOPHER

I said YOUR quotes don't prove anything. As I have shown.

This is what you said -

Any notion of Lewis considering retirement prior to VK is ended with this extract from Lewis and Steward in 03:

This is what Lewis said in 2003 prior to Vitali

"Retirement - that is an option for me. It's certainly tempting. I really need a fight to make me feel the desire to go through all the training," said Lewis. "It has to get me excited. At this point I'm not excited by anyone."

Lewis was considering retirement BEFORE the Vitali fight. Fact.

[beenKOed]

Vıtalı/Wlad-pussıes would cave ın havıng taken even 1/5th of the number of those shots.

There's more to boxing than standing in one spot and trading punches, any idiot can do that. Why do you think letting someone scramble your brain is a good or heroic thing? I like the occasional slugfest as much as anyone but I also think it's the stupidest way to fight. When I see someone staying on the ropes taking punch after punch all I think is, what an idiot. One thing for sure, I don't have any admiration for that style.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion but please, please pick one besides the Klitschkos, we've heard it all and, believe me, so have they.

[Fenster]

@THE PHILOSOPHER

Also get your facts and figures right about purses. Vitali-Lewis 2 would have never got CLOSE to earning Lewis a "record" amount. Fact.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

@THE PHILOSOPHER

I said YOUR quotes don't prove anything. As I have shown.

This is what you said -

Any notion of Lewis considering retirement prior to VK is ended with this extract from Lewis and Steward in 03:

This is what Lewis said in 2003 prior to Vitali

"Retirement - that is an option for me. It's certainly tempting. I really need a fight to make me feel the desire to go through all the training," said Lewis. "It has to get me excited. At this point I'm not excited by anyone."

Lewis was considering retirement BEFORE the Vitali fight. Fact.

Lewis on Tyson in 03:

"It really depends on him," said Lewis. "I'm not forcing any man to fight me. But when we signed for the first fight, we signed for two fights.

"I'm waiting for him to write to me to let me know his next move."

Also note your link (The one which u got your extract from!) pre-dates the VK fight. That is an important point here!!! It was an interview before he fought that epic with vitali!

Your extract: "Retirement - that is an option for me. It's certainly tempting. I really need a fight to make me feel the desire to go through all the training"

U mean like a VK rematch lennox? LOL. U know...one in which he only got 11 days notice and gave u an epic! How about one in which he gets more than a weeks notice and get's some serious prep under his belt rather than going through the motions with the cedric boswells of the world!

I don't think he was seriously considering it until he fought VK. His Tyson comments and Mannys comments on Jones pretty much support this! Could u also explain why he agreed to a rematch if he was going to retire? You don't agree to a fight then retire do you! Does not add up to me! LL was not retiring because he agreed to a rematch with VK. Fact. Tyson signed to fight him twice too! So explain that one! And Manny was gunning for jones! Again not really the talk of a team considering calling an immediate halt! LL would not have retired had he fought his mandatory Kirk Johnson and not VK. U damn well know it Fenster!

Im far from weeping yet fenster. Up your game son.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

@THE PHILOSOPHER

Also get your facts and figures right about purses. Vitali-Lewis 2 would have never got CLOSE to earning Lewis a "record" amount. Fact.

I disagree. The fight would have been a big deal 'Record amounts'? Maybe...Maybe not. The figures would have been huge though.

Does anyone know exactly how much LL turned down for the VK rematch! I have read several times that Lewis turned down $20 million dollars six months later to fight a rematch with Vitali. Is this correct?

[Fenster]

Up my game? Not only have I proven I was right you have as well.

I stated Lewis considered retirement prior to the Vitali fight. Which is a 100% proven fact. You said this was nonsense and produced a quote from Manny Steward talking about Roy Jones in 2003.

I then provided evidence that proves me right. You then posted a link (BBC SPORT | Boxing | Lewis rules out Jones clash) that confirmed I was 100% right. That link tells us that - 3 months before fighting Vitali, Lewis had no interest in him, Johnson or Jones. He was either retiring or fighting Tyson again. That's it.

I couldn't careless about your personal opinion of Lewis. What happened after the Vitali fight is irrelevant.

[El Kabong]

Vıtalı/Wlad-pussıes would cave ın havıng taken even 1/5th of the number of those shots.

There's more to boxing than standing in one spot and trading punches, any idiot can do that. Why do you think letting someone scramble your brain is a good or heroic thing? I like the occasional slugfest as much as anyone but I also think it's the stupidest way to fight. When I see someone staying on the ropes taking punch after punch all I think is, what an idiot. One thing for sure, I don't have any admiration for that style.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion but please, please pick one besides the Klitschkos, we've heard it all and, believe me, so have they.

....look who you're talking to man, there's no explaining "the sweet science" to him

[imp]

At the start of the thread it was asked whether the vlit brothers could hang out 15 rounds like the greats did.
The answer is yes when talking about both in todays opposition.
The answer is no when talking about Wlad with some the legends from yesterday.
The answer is yes when talking about vitali with yesterday and todays fighters.

As someone said before standing toe to toe and beating each others brains out is not a smart/long term positive in boxing.
Floyd adopts the safety first style more than anyone else but comparing him to Wlad is like chalk and cheese.

Lennox and Vitali has a great fight in the ring and lennox won.
Lennox didnt give vitali a rematch just like calzaghe didnt give an old hopkins (who some say beat joey c).
Does that make either have there win removed from the history books..no it doesnt.

No one knows what could have happened in either rematch but what was evident in the vitali/lewis was that lewis stopped vitali.

Lewis stopped vitali.

Lets just respect the facts.
Promoters, trainers and fighters say lots of things but vitali could not continue.

[El Kabong]

At the start of the thread it was asked whether the vlit brothers could hang out 15 rounds like the greats did.
The answer is yes when talking about both in todays opposition.
The answer is no when talking about Wlad with some the legends from yesterday.
The answer is yes when talking about vitali with yesterday and todays fighters.

As someone said before standing toe to toe and beating each others brains out is not a smart/long term positive in boxing.
Floyd adopts the safety first style more than anyone else but comparing him to Wlad is like chalk and cheese.

Lennox and Vitali has a great fight in the ring and lennox won.
Lennox didnt give vitali a rematch just like calzaghe didnt give an old hopkins (who some say beat joey c).
Does that make either have there win removed from the history books..no it doesnt.

No one knows what could have happened in either rematch but what was evident in the vitali/lewis was that lewis stopped vitali.

Lewis stopped vitali.

Lets just respect the facts.
Promoters, trainers and fighters say lots of things but vitali could not continue.

Ali gave Quarry a rematch....just sayin'

[imp]

And ali won again!

[El Kabong]

And ali won again!

...so what was Lennox's excuse?

[Master]

Lennox never fought anyone again which illustrates that he was finished, he was a career heaviest and Vitali was training to fight on the under card. Lennox knew the injury would take a long while to repair and Lennox had done it all so he did the right thing and retire. Lennox never avoided Vitali.

[imp]

Lennox never fought anyone again which illustrates that he was finished, he was a career heaviest and Vitali was training to fight on the under card. Lennox knew the injury would take a long while to repair and Lennox had done it all so he did the right thing and retire. Lennox never avoided Vitali.

Exactly.

Vitali needed lennox.
Lennox didnt need vitali.

Anyway, lets ask this question..lennox had had some great tear ups over the years...since vitali fought lennox has there been any notable fights for vitali since?..

frank bruno vs Wlad would be a another interesting match..two robots going at it.
Bruno wins decision.