What is "israel"? Somebody please....?

[El Kabong]

guess thats cool if genocide is your thing. Like a kid hitting you with a pea-shooter and you gunning hım down wıth a Kalashnikov.

Before the creation of the state of Israel there were no Palestinians....only Arabs....something to think about

[Kirkland Laing]

guess thats cool if genocide is your thing. Like a kid hitting you with a pea-shooter and you gunning hım down wıth a Kalashnikov.

Before the creation of the state of Israel there were no Palestinians....only Arabs....something to think about

Them first year of Zionist immigration to Palestine there were 400 000 Palestinian Muslims, 40 000 Palestinian Christians and 15 000 Jews. Palestine was basically low single digits Jewish for centuries.

[brocktonblockbust]

guess thats cool if genocide is your thing. Like a kid hitting you with a pea-shooter and you gunning hım down wıth a Kalashnikov.

Before the creation of the state of Israel there were no Palestinians....only Arabs....something to think about

Them first year of Zionist immigration to Palestine there were 400 000 Palestinian Muslims, 40 000 Palestinian Christians and 15 000 Jews. Palestine was basically low single digits Jewish for centuries.

thank you for postıng that ınfo for people lıke Lyle the Zıonıst.
There were no more than 15 thousand Jews ın the Holy Land.
There were 500 thousand Arabs or Palestınıans---Lyle seems to thınk thıs dıstınctıon ıs ımportant. The mıllıons of "Jews" lıvıng there now came from Poland, Moldova, Ukraıne, Russia, Germany, New York, etc. They were no where ın the area ın 1948.

SO lyle dont talk to me about Palestınıans are really Arabs or whatever---ıt was THEY who were there ın 1948 ın MASSIVE MASSIVE GREATER NUMBERS. And stıll are.

[El Kabong]

There you go half Egyptian half Saudi....no such thing as "Palestinian". Zahir Muhsein PLO Executive Committee Member said: "The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct "Palestinian people" to oppose Zionism."


Oh I'm a Zionist brockton? Please feel free to define that term for me. I know where the fucking jews came from, they left Europe after the Holocaust (or don't you believe in that). The left Russia to avoid Stalin's pogroms.

[GOAT]

Betta aks what's Mars....

[Nameless]

Palestinians hae been ersecuted from way before their suicide brigades, the borders of 1967 are absolutely not respected, the UN did vote around 235 resolutions condemning Israel's actions but the US did put their veto everytime. Steal someone's land, steal a few inches eery year, pay the mayor to put a blind eye on it and then hope that your neighbor remains peaceful and docile, just for fun.

[brocktonblockbust]

Lyle call the no-frılls Arabs whatever you lıke---there were offıcıally half a mıllıon of them ın that land as of the creatıon of Israel----and 15 thousand Jews on the same land at that tıme. Thereffore whıch people have the more property rights etc? The 500,000 or the 15,000? Doesnt matter ıf you call them general Arabs or Palestınıans or Egyptıans-lıvıng-in-Palestıne Arabs---the fact ıs they were THERE, to the tune of 450 thousand---and how the fuck do Polısh and Russıan and Brooklyn New York Jews have the rıght to now be occupyıng all of that where those people were and stıll are?

I am a Chrıstıan Armenıan--- Jerusalem has an Armenıan Quarter where over 120 thousand Armenıans have been lıvıng for about 2000 years. When the Jews started oversteppıng and occupyıng the surroundıng lands and buıldıng ıllegal settlements everywhere----they wound up destroyıng quıte alot of ancıent Armenıan sıtes too---ıt ıs a bıg ıssue wıth Armenıans ın the US, France and Armenıa ıtself. The Jews destroyed ancıent Armenıan sıtes, cemeterıes, and olıve groves to buıld there walls and settlements etc. Its not just the Palestınıans they have abused.

[El Kabong]

Don't talk to me about "ancient sites" being destroyed when there's a fucking mosque on top of the Temple.

[Beanz]

You may wish to toe the popular line and believe that things are that simplistic but no amount of hyperbole will ever describe such a complex issue. Comparing the Palestinians situation to a concentration camp or referring to it as apartheid just lets you off the hook when it comes to analyzing the facts with an open mind.

[Gandalf]

You may wish to toe the popular line and believe that things are that simplistic but no amount of hyperbole will ever describe such a complex issue. Comparing the Palestinians situation to a concentration camp or referring to it as apartheid just lets you off the hook when it comes to analyzing the facts with an open mind.

But it is and has described as much by influential scholars; Chomsky and Finklestein would readily agree with me. It is a concentration camp minus the gas chambers and moreso now that so much infrastructure has been destroyed. It was no accident and the bombing carefully targetted to wreak as much havoc with Palestinian lives as possible.

There is nothing simplistic in the fact that Gazan's are camped in and restricted by land, air and sea, they are denied basic equipment, food, or even materials to rebuild long term damaged property. You keep a populace hungry, deprived, poor and bound and what you have is a concentration camp. It is easy to end it and Israel is in control of it. All this talk of rockets is absurd when you see how Gazan's are forced to live.

It is you who deny that we can call it a concentration camp or Israel/West Bank as apartheid. It seems it is you with the closed mind on the topic.

Time to break the taboo and say what Gaza is: a concentration camp

[brocktonblockbust]

palestınıans are blockaded-----they are treated like scum----ambulances and etc take 10 tımesa longer to come to theır resCue as opposed to the resCue of Jews ın that area. Pregnant women are regıularly delayed on theır wway to hospıtals at israeli checkpoınts----etc.

It ıs Warsaw ghetto revısıted.

NO WONDER THEY LAUNCH ROCKETS INTO İSRAEL. I WOULD DO IT TOO.

[Beanz]

You may wish to toe the popular line and believe that things are that simplistic but no amount of hyperbole will ever describe such a complex issue. Comparing the Palestinians situation to a concentration camp or referring to it as apartheid just lets you off the hook when it comes to analyzing the facts with an open mind.

But it is and has described as much by influential scholars; Chomsky and Finklestein would readily agree with me. It is a concentration camp minus the gas chambers and moreso now that so much infrastructure has been destroyed. It was no accident and the bombing carefully targetted to wreak as much havoc with Palestinian lives as possible.

There is nothing simplistic in the fact that Gazan's are camped in and restricted by land, air and sea, they are denied basic equipment, food, or even materials to rebuild long term damaged property. You keep a populace hungry, deprived, poor and bound and what you have is a concentration camp. It is easy to end it and Israel is in control of it. All this talk of rockets is absurd when you see how Gazan's are forced to live.

It is you who deny that we can call it a concentration camp or Israel/West Bank as apartheid. It seems it is you with the closed mind on the topic.

Time to break the taboo and say what Gaza is: a concentration camp

You have quoted Arthur Silber's article. He identifies himself openly as being part of the "9/11 truth and justice movement". He does this whilst decrying both "the delusional stupid left" and "right". He is almost as big a douche as Chomsky. People in Gaza elected Hamas an organization that revels in the death of innocent civilians and uses them as human shields. The idea of martyrdom is for them a glorious concept. If you are so open minded then can you explain how they have escaped any blame? Why have you not mentioned them killing their own people yesterday and dragging their bodies around on the back of a motorcycle? Why have you not mentioned the million ton of aid given to Gaza by Israel? Why have you not mentioned the tons of weapons smuggled into Palestine for the express purpose of murdering Israeli civilians ?

Why would you suggest that a bombing campaign quite obviously aimed at military targets is AIMED at civilians? Is it because you have already decided who the bogeyman is and can not complicate things by seeing anything else? It seems that you, Brockton and Kirkland are so intent on drawing attention to the plight of Palestinian civilians that you can not countenance the idea that Israel has any right to protect it's own civilians and that Hamas and the mis goverment of Gaza is not the fault of Hamas? In an effort to appear even handed it appears that the monopoly on suffering that people accuse Jews of exercising has been inverted to blame them for everything.

The people of Gaza are often treated in Israels hospitals, they are not lined up to have their gold teeth extracted. They are not being stripped naked and asked to leave their clothes in neat piles. Their hair is not being used to fill mattresses. They are not being experimented on and injected with diseases. They are not being sent to the gas chambers. They are not living in a concentration camp or living under a system of apartheid where the colour of their skin is enough to condemn them.

[Ghost]

You may wish to toe the popular line and believe that things are that simplistic but no amount of hyperbole will ever describe such a complex issue. Comparing the Palestinians situation to a concentration camp or referring to it as apartheid just lets you off the hook when it comes to analyzing the facts with an open mind.

But it is and has described as much by influential scholars; Chomsky and Finklestein would readily agree with me. It is a concentration camp minus the gas chambers and moreso now that so much infrastructure has been destroyed. It was no accident and the bombing carefully targetted to wreak as much havoc with Palestinian lives as possible.

There is nothing simplistic in the fact that Gazan's are camped in and restricted by land, air and sea, they are denied basic equipment, food, or even materials to rebuild long term damaged property. You keep a populace hungry, deprived, poor and bound and what you have is a concentration camp. It is easy to end it and Israel is in control of it. All this talk of rockets is absurd when you see how Gazan's are forced to live.

It is you who deny that we can call it a concentration camp or Israel/West Bank as apartheid. It seems it is you with the closed mind on the topic.

Time to break the taboo and say what Gaza is: a concentration camp

You have quoted Arthur Silber's article. He identifies himself openly as being part of the "9/11 truth and justice movement". He does this whilst decrying both "the delusional stupid left" and "right". He is almost as big a douche as Chomsky. People in Gaza elected Hamas an organization that revels in the death of innocent civilians and uses them as human shields. The idea of martyrdom is for them a glorious concept. If you are so open minded then can you explain how they have escaped any blame? Why have you not mentioned them killing their own people yesterday and dragging their bodies around on the back of a motorcycle? Why have you not mentioned the million ton of aid given to Gaza by Israel? Why have you not mentioned the tons of weapons smuggled into Palestine for the express purpose of murdering Israeli civilians ?

Why would you suggest that a bombing campaign quite obviously aimed at military targets is AIMED at civilians? Is it because you have already decided who the bogeyman is and can not complicate things by seeing anything else? It seems that you, Brockton and Kirkland are so intent on drawing attention to the plight of Palestinian civilians that you can not countenance the idea that Israel has any right to protect it's own civilians and that Hamas and the mis goverment of Gaza is not the fault of Hamas? In an effort to appear even handed it appears that the monopoly on suffering that people accuse Jews of exercising has been inverted to blame them for everything.

The people of Gaza are often treated in Israels hospitals, they are not lined up to have their gold teeth extracted. They are not being stripped naked and asked to leave their clothes in neat piles. Their hair is not being used to fill mattresses. They are not being experimented on and injected with diseases. They are not being sent to the gas chambers. They are not living in a concentration camp or living under a system of apartheid where the colour of their skin is enough to condemn them.

And they don't live in England

[Kirkland Laing]

You may wish to toe the popular line and believe that things are that simplistic but no amount of hyperbole will ever describe such a complex issue. Comparing the Palestinians situation to a concentration camp or referring to it as apartheid just lets you off the hook when it comes to analyzing the facts with an open mind.

But it is and has described as much by influential scholars; Chomsky and Finklestein would readily agree with me. It is a concentration camp minus the gas chambers and moreso now that so much infrastructure has been destroyed. It was no accident and the bombing carefully targetted to wreak as much havoc with Palestinian lives as possible.

There is nothing simplistic in the fact that Gazan's are camped in and restricted by land, air and sea, they are denied basic equipment, food, or even materials to rebuild long term damaged property. You keep a populace hungry, deprived, poor and bound and what you have is a concentration camp. It is easy to end it and Israel is in control of it. All this talk of rockets is absurd when you see how Gazan's are forced to live.

It is you who deny that we can call it a concentration camp or Israel/West Bank as apartheid. It seems it is you with the closed mind on the topic.

Time to break the taboo and say what Gaza is: a concentration camp

You have quoted Arthur Silber's article. He identifies himself openly as being part of the "9/11 truth and justice movement". He does this whilst decrying both "the delusional stupid left" and "right". He is almost as big a douche as Chomsky. People in Gaza elected Hamas an organization that revels in the death of innocent civilians and uses them as human shields. The idea of martyrdom is for them a glorious concept. If you are so open minded then can you explain how they have escaped any blame? Why have you not mentioned them killing their own people yesterday and dragging their bodies around on the back of a motorcycle? Why have you not mentioned the million ton of aid given to Gaza by Israel? Why have you not mentioned the tons of weapons smuggled into Palestine for the express purpose of murdering Israeli civilians ?

Why would you suggest that a bombing campaign quite obviously aimed at military targets is AIMED at civilians? Is it because you have already decided who the bogeyman is and can not complicate things by seeing anything else? It seems that you, Brockton and Kirkland are so intent on drawing attention to the plight of Palestinian civilians that you can not countenance the idea that Israel has any right to protect it's own civilians and that Hamas and the mis goverment of Gaza is not the fault of Hamas? In an effort to appear even handed it appears that the monopoly on suffering that people accuse Jews of exercising has been inverted to blame them for everything.

The people of Gaza are often treated in Israels hospitals, they are not lined up to have their gold teeth extracted. They are not being stripped naked and asked to leave their clothes in neat piles. Their hair is not being used to fill mattresses. They are not being experimented on and injected with diseases. They are not being sent to the gas chambers. They are not living in a concentration camp or living under a system of apartheid where the colour of their skin is enough to condemn them.

Don't the Palestinians have the right to defend themselves? Bearing in mind that the majority of them have been ethnically cleansed from their homes and land and are now living in refugee camps, the most densely polulated places on earth. And that for nearly half a century they've been living under a militaryoccupation that every other nation has declared illegal in various UN resolutions? If the aggressor have a right to defend themselves, don't the aggressee also have the same right?

The right of resistance to military occupation and ethnic cleansing is guaranteed under international law. Don't the Palestinians have the same rights as you or I would have if we were living under occupation?

[Gandalf]

You may wish to toe the popular line and believe that things are that simplistic but no amount of hyperbole will ever describe such a complex issue. Comparing the Palestinians situation to a concentration camp or referring to it as apartheid just lets you off the hook when it comes to analyzing the facts with an open mind.

But it is and has described as much by influential scholars; Chomsky and Finklestein would readily agree with me. It is a concentration camp minus the gas chambers and moreso now that so much infrastructure has been destroyed. It was no accident and the bombing carefully targetted to wreak as much havoc with Palestinian lives as possible.

There is nothing simplistic in the fact that Gazan's are camped in and restricted by land, air and sea, they are denied basic equipment, food, or even materials to rebuild long term damaged property. You keep a populace hungry, deprived, poor and bound and what you have is a concentration camp. It is easy to end it and Israel is in control of it. All this talk of rockets is absurd when you see how Gazan's are forced to live.

It is you who deny that we can call it a concentration camp or Israel/West Bank as apartheid. It seems it is you with the closed mind on the topic.

Time to break the taboo and say what Gaza is: a concentration camp

You have quoted Arthur Silber's article. He identifies himself openly as being part of the "9/11 truth and justice movement". He does this whilst decrying both "the delusional stupid left" and "right". He is almost as big a douche as Chomsky. People in Gaza elected Hamas an organization that revels in the death of innocent civilians and uses them as human shields. The idea of martyrdom is for them a glorious concept. If you are so open minded then can you explain how they have escaped any blame? Why have you not mentioned them killing their own people yesterday and dragging their bodies around on the back of a motorcycle? Why have you not mentioned the million ton of aid given to Gaza by Israel? Why have you not mentioned the tons of weapons smuggled into Palestine for the express purpose of murdering Israeli civilians ?

Why would you suggest that a bombing campaign quite obviously aimed at military targets is AIMED at civilians? Is it because you have already decided who the bogeyman is and can not complicate things by seeing anything else? It seems that you, Brockton and Kirkland are so intent on drawing attention to the plight of Palestinian civilians that you can not countenance the idea that Israel has any right to protect it's own civilians and that Hamas and the mis goverment of Gaza is not the fault of Hamas? In an effort to appear even handed it appears that the monopoly on suffering that people accuse Jews of exercising has been inverted to blame them for everything.

The people of Gaza are often treated in Israels hospitals, they are not lined up to have their gold teeth extracted. They are not being stripped naked and asked to leave their clothes in neat piles. Their hair is not being used to fill mattresses. They are not being experimented on and injected with diseases. They are not being sent to the gas chambers. They are not living in a concentration camp or living under a system of apartheid where the colour of their skin is enough to condemn them.

Don't the Palestinians have the right to defend themselves? Bearing in mind that the majority of them have been ethnically cleansed from their homes and land and are now living in refugee camps, the most densely polulated places on earth. And that for nearly half a century they've been living under a militaryoccupation that every other nation has declared illegal in various UN resolutions? If the aggressor have a right to defend themselves, don't the aggressee also have the same right?

The right of resistance to military occupation and ethnic cleansing is guaranteed under international law. Don't the Palestinians have the same rights as you or I would have if we were living under occupation?

Good post.

I don't see the point in even responding to Greenbeanz post as I can only assume he is playing devil's advocate or genuinely buys into sympathetic CNN reports on the kind Israeli's who ever so caringly treated a Palestinian girl who had 3 fingers blown off. It must be the evil Hamas as Hague argues. Hamas hides behind girls of 7 and of course the good old Israeli's allow the girl to be treated. It's good to see some good old humanity. That is why America subsidises Israel, for good old regional peace. Time to take down the settlements chaps? Not today or perhaps ever, but we will blow up your kids and perhaps treat them if they survive. Lovely stuff.